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Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Face ID is going to screw this all up. Cops won't even need your cooperation to unlock.

Apple is adding a kill switch to iOS 11 that lets you discreetly disable Touch ID (and presumably Face ID) by hitting the power button 5 times. And of course if you're concerned you can opt out of Touch or Face ID entirely and simply use a pass-code.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/17/16161758/ios-11-touch-id-...

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That's the worst case for rubber hose. Even if you give up all your passwords they can still keep beating you to get the "real" pass.

They should have an "erase everything" password.

better yet, a pass code option to show a bare user account without access to the real user data

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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post #31
post #28

Face ID is going to screw this all up. Cops won't even need your cooperation to unlock.

Apple is adding a kill switch to iOS 11 that lets you discreetly disable Touch ID (and presumably Face ID) by hitting the power button 5 times. And of course if you're concerned you can opt out of Touch or Face ID entirely and simply use a pass-code. https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/17/16161758/ios-11-touch-id-...

I think I would prefer the passcode which can be set to a length much larger than 4 digits when travelling or getting anywhere near fed-gov.

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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I have never seen a company both so technically capable and supportive of user privacy as Apple. It stands completely apart from all of the tech giants of today.

That is very true, but I find it very sad that, as much as Apple is pro-privacy, it's very anti-freedom. I'd love to switch to a device as private as an iPhone, but at this point you're just renting the device from them.

It's not anti-freedom. It's just pro-ease-of-use and it's easier to guarantee a quality experience when there are less unknowns and less variables to account for. When everyone is using the same device with the same software, it's much easier to guarantee a great experience.

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All other tech giants today make money from advertisement and /or “big” data, which are inherently anti-privacy. This is why Microsoft has done 180° on privacy and has filled their first part apps with ads.

MS was always in bed with the feds, e.g. Skype and crypto backdoors.

Historically, Microsoft has made a lot of money from government institutions being locked-in to their software, so that makes perfect sense.

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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I have never seen a company both so technically capable and supportive of user privacy as Apple. It stands completely apart from all of the tech giants of today.

That is very true, but I find it very sad that, as much as Apple is pro-privacy, it's very anti-freedom. I'd love to switch to a device as private as an iPhone, but at this point you're just renting the device from them.

You can't run a mass maket open platform without security or privacy issues as Users will install things that cause problems.

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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> These changes are coming in conjunction with another privacy-minded feature that will disable Touch ID by pressing the power button five times. Wow, that's really nice. I wish Google was so forward thinking about things like this. I see no reason why a fingerprint authentication should be forced upon someone anymore than a password unlock would be. The only reason this is how it works today is because it's much "ea…

It's not "forward thinking" to put that feature in 4 years after Touch ID debuted and people have already been forced to unlock their phones. They should be issuing warnings that fingerprint sensors are for convenience and reduce security unless they're used in multi-factor authentication.

The alternative was passcodes and Apple's research suggested that people disabled passcodes rather than use anything secure. TouchID was determined to be far more secure than no passcode and having both TouchID and a passcode is secure enough for most users. You can't add devices without both (along with an Apple ID password) and, at that point, you have physical access to the device which negates most security features anyways.

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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post #14

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It's not "forward thinking" to put that feature in 4 years after Touch ID debuted and people have already been forced to unlock their phones. They should be issuing warnings that fingerprint sensors are for convenience and reduce security unless they're used in multi-factor authentication.

The alternative was passcodes and Apple's research suggested that people disabled passcodes rather than use anything secure. TouchID was determined to be far more secure than no passcode and having both TouchID and a passcode is secure enough for most users. You can't add devices without both (along with an Apple ID password) and, at that point, you have physical access to the device which negates most security featu…

Interesting and pragmatic. Do you have a reference for this? I'd be interested in reading more.

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is very true, but I find it very sad that, as much as Apple is pro-privacy, it's very anti-freedom. I'd love to switch to a device as private as an iPhone, but at this point you're just renting the device from them.

It's not anti-freedom. It's just pro-ease-of-use and it's easier to guarantee a quality experience when there are less unknowns and less variables to account for. When everyone is using the same device with the same software, it's much easier to guarantee a great experience.

Allowing side loading of apps would not impact usability in anyway.

Edit: It would massively increase the usability, allowing any apps to be installed, not just Apple approved apps, making the phone more usable to many people. Back in the day I had to buy a dev account just to load an emulator I wanted to use (it was open source) without rooting.

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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post #33
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is adding a kill switch to iOS 11 that lets you discreetly disable Touch ID (and presumably Face ID) by hitting the power button 5 times. And of course if you're concerned you can opt out of Touch or Face ID entirely and simply use a pass-code. https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/17/16161758/ios-11-touch-id-...

I think I would prefer the passcode which can be set to a length much larger than 4 digits when travelling or getting anywhere near fed-gov.

iOS lets you set a complex password instead of a 4 digit pin (turn off the "simple passcode" setting).
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