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Re: Cruise's 3rd generation self-driving car

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Wow. FYI - This is how you mess up content marketing. If the author genuinely wanted me to read the article and get to know the brand, he shouldn't have used such a scummy title. Yes, the article is /technically/ true. But they are only talking about the hardware, and acknowledge in the second paragraph that they don't have the software. So while the title implies self-driving cars are a solved problem, they are real…

Saying that self driving car hardware problem is solved and all we need is software is like saying that one solved the problem of building interstellar space ship. All they need now is the warp drive. Otherwise it is all solved...

x is already solved, we just need to solve the parts we haven't solved.

Re: Cruise's 3rd generation self-driving car

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Whether or not this car drives itself it's still damn ugly.

Tesla is going about making electric cars sexy.

So you won't find me interested even if it sings too.

Never-the-less, for all the folks the that don't mind ugly cars it's good to have competition to gather all the data to prove that driverless cars are safer.

Re: Cruise's 3rd generation self-driving car

#74
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, they're pretty close. Late this year or 2018 they'll have cars driving around empty. GM has consistently been underestimated by the public, but they've played their cards very well. It's in no small part due to the drive and leadership of Kyle Vogt, who is on his way to the big leagues to join the ranks of Musk, Bezos, and Jobs and those guys.

Yep, they're pretty close. Late this year or 2018 they'll have cars driving around empty. I'd like to know more, do you have a source for these claims?

It's a prediction, I can't provide a source for events that haven't occurred.

But Reuters reported they intend to put 'thousands' of autonomous Bolts on the road in 2018:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-gm-autonomous-exclusive/e...

Cruise has released some impressive demos on their YouTube page, of vehicle driving around downtown SF:

https://youtu.be/KSRPmng1cmA

Cruise reported to the California DMV that they averaged on unplanned disengagement every 180 miles through 2016:

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/autonomous/disen...

What's also interesting is that Cruise is hiring 'autonomous vehicle support advisors', which is for remote assistance. Not something you need to do if you plan to have a test driver in the front seat for year(s) to come:

https://getcruise.com/careers/listing/791711

Also, because Kyle Vogt said so, and he's never bullshitted me before, he's got credibility.

Re: Cruise's 3rd generation self-driving car

#75

While I'm almost always bullish on new tech, self-driving cars are one where I frankly have a pretty hard time buying into the hype. I think when they really start to hit the streets, some issues are going to show up. Here's what I mean. Imagine this situation: You're pulling into your driveway in your self-driving car, and one of your kids left a lawn gnome there, blocking it. The car won't go forward because there'…

I always question whether humans are really any better at this calculation. In the gnome example, many people will probably stop to avoid damaging their property, not see the car behind them careening forward, and end up getting rear ended anyway. In an ideal world, ethical issues like the one you presented would be major hurdles but humans aren't going to be perfectly rational in the moment of many accidents, especially the most dangerous high-speed ones when there is physically not enough time to do ethical math.

> we all still get in cars believing we'll be better than other drivers. Who's going to get in a car when any given car has an equivalent chance of making a bad decision all on its own?

Given the fact that plenty of people take taxis, rely on Uber and Lyft drivers they've never met, and take public transportation like aircraft and trains with little knowledge of the operator, this seems like a non-issue to me.

Re: Cruise's 3rd generation self-driving car

#76
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Waymo and Uber are more likely to have beat them to it (lidar) than Tesla, but point very much taken.

Neither of those companies make cars.. The article is about actually putting a "self-driving" (however they define it) car through a proper manufacturing engineering environment to develop something that can scale to hundreds of thousands of cars per year. Redesigning the software of a production car and actually integrating the tech at the factory-level gets you much closer to a mass-volume car than making some fanc…

Kinda seems like putting the cart before the horse though.

Despite what the mountain of "Autonomous vehicles are around the corner" PR articles say there's still a lot of problems to be worked out before we see any fully autonomous vehicles for sale.

And you need to work out your prototypes issues before you start mass producing something so that you mass produce something that you can actually sell.

Re: Cruise's 3rd generation self-driving car

#77

tl;dr we have built a car that does not self-drive, but like, some day, it will, we're pretty sure Funniest thing is they still use wiring harnesses. If you're manufacturing the car from scratch just build a digital bus into the frame.

> If you're manufacturing the car from scratch just build a digital bus into the frame.

And just how would you do this?

The frame is metal - it isn't plastic; so to move control signals around, you need to have a harness. That harness, on the majority of cars today, is attached to clips that are mounted to the frame (inside the vehicle), behind the interior fascia plastic. Google "vehicle wire harness" and look at some pictures to get an idea; most of the harness is behind the dash, with additional branches leading to the doors (locks, windows, speakers, etc), up the A-pillars (rearview mirror and dome light, or other accessories), up the B-pillars (air bags, more speakers), toward the rear (gas tank, brake lights, etc), and elsewhere. There's a ton of wiring in the interior of a car.

There's a separate harness inside the engine compartment, clipped mostly to the firewall and fender area, with branches going to various spots in the compartment (too many to name); that harness is generally connected in some manner to the interior harness of the vehicle, thru a pass-thru on the firewall. This may be a connector, or just a hole the wires are routed through. Sometimes, the junction will be via a computer in the engine compartment; the point being that there are many ways it is done.

Engineers over the years have worked to reduce the number of wires and such in the wiring harness; one of the more recent ways has been the nearly universal adoption of the CAN bus. It is essentially a robust vehicle communications bus with a differentially signaled system, using two wires. Of course, there are bunch of these in a vehicle.

I think eventually they'll move to a fiber-optic system for signals, with the only wires remaining for power.

Re: Cruise's 3rd generation self-driving car

#78
post #16

Wow. FYI - This is how you mess up content marketing. If the author genuinely wanted me to read the article and get to know the brand, he shouldn't have used such a scummy title. Yes, the article is /technically/ true. But they are only talking about the hardware, and acknowledge in the second paragraph that they don't have the software. So while the title implies self-driving cars are a solved problem, they are real…

Ok, we changed the title above to one of the subtitles (a photo heading) that appears in the article, which hopefully is less contentious.

That doesn't address the question of exactly what 'self-driving' means in this context, but many articles on the topic suffer from this problem.

Re: Cruise's 3rd generation self-driving car

#79
post #72

Whether or not this car drives itself it's still damn ugly. Tesla is going about making electric cars sexy. So you won't find me interested even if it sings too. Never-the-less, for all the folks the that don't mind ugly cars it's good to have competition to gather all the data to prove that driverless cars are safer.

This is more important than one might think.

At the end of the day, the mass market does not really care whether a car is gas or electric.

The average Joe/Jane just has X dollars budgeted for a car and a mental model of what kind of amenities they ought to be able to get for X dollars.

Most of the "mass-market" electric cars I've seen in the $35,000 range (i3, Leaf, Bolt) look like $18,000 subcompacts. They just have electric motors inside.

You fundamentally cannot take an $18,000 car, slap an electric motor inside, and call it a $35,000 car.

If the car is going to cost $35,000, make it a $35,000 car.

Re: Cruise's 3rd generation self-driving car

#80
I don't know if this is allowed - if not, mods delete this.

To the poster who had a throwaway and identified themselves as an employee of Cruise, if the environment you work in is as toxic as you claim, your best bet, right now, is to leave.

Don't stay a minute longer, as this kind of thing has a way of biting those who stay in the rear sooner rather than later.

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