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Re: Cruise's 3rd generation self-driving car

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Post by antirez »

gervase wrote: post #15
antirez wrote: post #4

I don't know what to believe. A few days ago I spent some time checking publicly available data and the result is that the current state of art is extremely far from an autonomous car that, could like used to drive a taxi in a busy city like Rome. Not far as "still some effort needed" but potentially "not clear when this could be available" far. Now there are those claims made by multiple companies... Go figure.

Based on my own observations, there's probably a big difference between operating as a taxi in Berlin and Rome, and another between operating in Rome and Mumbai. This only factors in other human drivers and infrastructure design/signage, not weather conditions (a different can of worms). I suspect that we'll see a progression like: 1) Well-regulated urban and highway environments 2) Well-regulated rural environments…

My feeling is that under special situations 1 degradates to 5, so to have good security anyway you have to solve problem 5.

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Post by ryanmarsh »

andys627 wrote: post #11

>Electric self-driving cars will save millions of lives and significantly accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable energy, but only when they’re deployed in large numbers. Just like cars that we drive, self driving cars enable sprawl. Sprawl will never be environmentally sustainable. We need cities that you move through by foot, bike, and public transit.

Sprawl is not sustainable in that an organism with unnecessarily long pathways wastes energy. However, many cities are not "done" growing yet and we can't really say if a city of sprawl will eventually become an efficient city as it is refactored over time and as the selection pressures of the environment change (energy cost, maintenance, etc...).

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Post by mabbo »

aianus wrote: post #32
mabbo wrote: post #25

Call me when it's for sale, when I can put down money and drive away (or rather, be driven away by) a self diving car. Seriously though. Please call me when that happens. I really, really want to not have to drive anymore. I don't care what the price tag is.

What's stopping you from taking an Uber everywhere?

Sometimes I drive outside of the city. I go visit my parents a few hours away. Sometimes I want to pick up a huge load of groceries, or go to Ikea.

Re: Cruise's 3rd generation self-driving car

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Post by ryanmarsh »

InitialLastName wrote: post #37
toomuchtodo wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sprawl will never be environmentally sustainable. Assuming clean, renewable energy powers all electric mobility, why not? I do not want to live in a city/urban area, and I will pay more not to. EDIT: @InitialLastName Sorry, HN throttling kicked in, can't reply to your reply so I'm putting this here. If I have a well for water, septic for sewage, solar on my roof, and a gravel road to town, what's the problem? I und…

https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2017/1/9/the-real-reason... Have a look at the graph of the cost of delivering utilities. This isn't about environmental sustainability as much as long-term economic sustainability. When towns sprawl, utilities with costs that scale with distance cost more per person.

When towns sprawl, utilities with costs that scale with distance cost more per person.

When factored in with total cost of living are these cities cheaper or more expensive? I can think of plenty of dense efficient cities that are more expensive than cities with sprawl.

Re: Cruise's 3rd generation self-driving car

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Post by ryanmarsh »

Fricken wrote: post #7
rwmj wrote: post #3

There are a lot of big claims in this article. As someone who hasn't been paying much attention, is it credible that they have a near-ready-to-go self-driving car right now?

Yep, they're pretty close. Late this year or 2018 they'll have cars driving around empty. GM has consistently been underestimated by the public, but they've played their cards very well. It's in no small part due to the drive and leadership of Kyle Vogt, who is on his way to the big leagues to join the ranks of Musk, Bezos, and Jobs and those guys.

Yep, they're pretty close. Late this year or 2018 they'll have cars driving around empty.

I'd like to know more, do you have a source for these claims?

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Post by byset »

soared wrote: post #16

Wow. FYI - This is how you mess up content marketing. If the author genuinely wanted me to read the article and get to know the brand, he shouldn't have used such a scummy title. Yes, the article is /technically/ true. But they are only talking about the hardware, and acknowledge in the second paragraph that they don't have the software. So while the title implies self-driving cars are a solved problem, they are real…

I didn't get that impression. Paragraph two says they have "the most advanced self-driving software ever demonstrated," which has been in use driving cars around in real city traffic on their prototypes or whatever (according to their youtube videos), but the article seems to be saying that they now have designed and built mass-producible cars that can run the software. (If I'm wrong, then yeah, not only the title but the whole article is misleading.)

Re: Cruise's 3rd generation self-driving car

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Post by kylec »

andys627 wrote: post #11

>Electric self-driving cars will save millions of lives and significantly accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable energy, but only when they’re deployed in large numbers. Just like cars that we drive, self driving cars enable sprawl. Sprawl will never be environmentally sustainable. We need cities that you move through by foot, bike, and public transit.

What if the future of public transit is autonomous cars? Why do you need buses or trains when you could have machines that can take you from anywhere, to anywhere, on demand, for less than the cost of current public transit fare?

Re: Cruise's 3rd generation self-driving car

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Post by Fricken »

soared wrote: post #16

Wow. FYI - This is how you mess up content marketing. If the author genuinely wanted me to read the article and get to know the brand, he shouldn't have used such a scummy title. Yes, the article is /technically/ true. But they are only talking about the hardware, and acknowledge in the second paragraph that they don't have the software. So while the title implies self-driving cars are a solved problem, they are real…

>But tesla probably already beat you to it?

Tesla hasn't beat anybody to anything. AP2 is still behind Ap1, which uses a single camera and mobileye's comparitavely tiny Eyeq3 chip.

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