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A genocide against the Rohingya may be looming

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Re: A genocide against the Rohingya may be looming

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Post by throwawaybeta »

eimg wrote: post #25

Bias on the Rohigya issue - https://goo.gl/1h4vav "Though the Rohingya armed groups carried out attacks on security forces and civilians on 9 October 2016 in which nine policemen were killed and on 25 August 2017 in which 30 police outposts were attacked leading to the death of 10 police officers, one soldier and one immigration officer, the [UN] Special Rapporteur Lee failed to name the Rohingya armed opposition gro…

Your only two comments are biased against the Rohingya's plight. You're also Burmese. Bias on your side too.

Re: A genocide against the Rohingya may be looming

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Post by dwaltrip »

fractallyte wrote: post #27

The problem is that application of the term 'genocide' is subject to endless, recursive, despicable politics at the UN. I wish there was (forcible) injection of ideas from computer science and mathematics into politics. An example, for this case: a subset of general language that could describe a political or humanitarian situation in unambiguous terms, so that there could be no 'wriggle room' for politicians to shir…

> And signatories to the UN should be compelled to adhere to a set of clearly defined moral principles, to open the way for action to be taken immediately against violators.

You mean like a legal system?

Re: A genocide against the Rohingya may be looming

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Post by fractallyte »

dwaltrip wrote: post #42
fractallyte wrote: post #27

The problem is that application of the term 'genocide' is subject to endless, recursive, despicable politics at the UN. I wish there was (forcible) injection of ideas from computer science and mathematics into politics. An example, for this case: a subset of general language that could describe a political or humanitarian situation in unambiguous terms, so that there could be no 'wriggle room' for politicians to shir…

> And signatories to the UN should be compelled to adhere to a set of clearly defined moral principles, to open the way for action to be taken immediately against violators. You mean like a legal system?

Exactly!

International Law is great when there's some incident between nation states, but there's a dire need for intra-national law, where nations can poke their noses into the affairs of an aggressor government.

Case in point: Russian actions in Chechnya back in the early 2000s. When there were murmurs of disapproval, Russia basically just told everyone: "Go away, it's an internal problem." And, shamefully, everyone did just that.

Re: A genocide against the Rohingya may be looming

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Post by calvinbhai »

Its not surprising to see this. Its one Nobel Prize Winner (Daw Aung San Suu Kyi) who is pro Burmese vs an another (Malala) who is pro Rohingyas.

IMO, There's more to it that what seems. Just because someone (like the author of the article) says "genocide", doesn't mean it is the fact.

Re: A genocide against the Rohingya may be looming

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Post by synicalx »

grzm wrote: post #32
pmontra wrote: post #31

Interesting: this was number 2 on the home page. Time to read the comments and it disappeared from the site. It's not in the first 300 posts of HN. It's left only in the New section (page 2 now) and Search. Was it flagged by too many people or removed by administrators?

Likely both. The "overheated discussion detector" may have kicked in as well. From the FAQ[0]: > How are stories ranked? > The basic algorithm divides points by a power of the time since a story was submitted. Comments in comment threads are ranked the same way. > Other factors affecting rank include user flags, anti-abuse software, software which downweights overheated discussions, and moderator intervention. [0]: h…

> HN is not the place for ideological flamewars

To be fair though, they do happen here all the time and often without any mod intervention. IMO the problem is most opinions on HN seem to just get stated as fact and if they happen to be popular opinions then there's no possibility for them every to be discussed because any contrary opinions just get brigaded into oblivion.

Re: A genocide against the Rohingya may be looming

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Post by grzm »

synicalx wrote: post #45
grzm wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Likely both. The "overheated discussion detector" may have kicked in as well. From the FAQ[0]: > How are stories ranked? > The basic algorithm divides points by a power of the time since a story was submitted. Comments in comment threads are ranked the same way. > Other factors affecting rank include user flags, anti-abuse software, software which downweights overheated discussions, and moderator intervention. [0]: h…

> HN is not the place for ideological flamewars To be fair though, they do happen here all the time and often without any mod intervention. IMO the problem is most opinions on HN seem to just get stated as fact and if they happen to be popular opinions then there's no possibility for them every to be discussed because any contrary opinions just get brigaded into oblivion.

> To be fair though, they do happen here all the time and often without any mod intervention.

Yup. The mods are limited in number and readily admit that they don't see everything. If you see something particularly egregious, use the Contact link in the footer to email them and let them know.

> IMO the problem is most opinions on HN seem to just get stated as fact

Also very much agree, and often apparently with very little reflection on the part of the submitter that others may reasonably hold other positions (in that you can follow their logic even if you think it's flawed or disagree with it)—and that some things are often just a matter of taste.

> and if they happen to be popular opinions then there's no possibility for them every to be discussed because any contrary opinions just get brigaded into oblivion.

Compound this with the inherent bias everyone has to tend to notice where their opinion is being attacked and not see where it's being supported, everyone has a tendency to think that theirs is a minority or attacked position. It's tough.

None of this negates that goal of reducing the frequency and intensity of ideological flame wars on HN. One of the reasons I pipe up with comments like this is that I think it's the community's responsibility as a whole to encourage this, not just the mods'.

Re: A genocide against the Rohingya may be looming

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Post by pknerd »

dang wrote: post #36
pknerd wrote: post #16

Thanks for bringing this up on this forum. There's another conspiracy theory circulating in the region that the devil Noble winner is doing this on instructions of US because the area Rohingyans live is enriched with valuable minerals including Jade stones. The locals are being killed and pushed away from the area, Americans will land and then keep an eye on China. China on other hand trying best not to give US or UN…

> the devil Noble winner That sort of name-calling is not allowed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . All: please don't use this site to fight ideological, national, or racial battles.

OK I should call her an angel then to comply with guidelines.

Re: A genocide against the Rohingya may be looming

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Post by dang »

pknerd wrote: post #47
dang wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the devil Noble winner That sort of name-calling is not allowed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . All: please don't use this site to fight ideological, national, or racial battles.

OK I should call her an angel then to comply with guidelines.

Sarcastic swipes don't help.

I'm sure you feel strongly about defending your group, but so does everybody else. That's why we don't allow people to lash out at others when commenting here—it's a short path from there to internet hell. So if want to keep posting to HN, please control this impulse. We ask the same of everybody: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Re: A genocide against the Rohingya may be looming

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Post by pknerd »

dang wrote: post #48
pknerd wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK I should call her an angel then to comply with guidelines.

Sarcastic swipes don't help. I'm sure you feel strongly about defending your group, but so does everybody else. That's why we don't allow people to lash out at others when commenting here—it's a short path from there to internet hell. So if want to keep posting to HN, please control this impulse. We ask the same of everybody: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html .

> defending your group, but so does everybody else

Alright no issue. Agreed.

PS: I did not defend because of their faith rather because they are my biological brothers.

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