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The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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Re: The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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Something reminded me of this manifesto and made me think about what a "hacker" really is. Things have changed in the past 25 years.

One thing that I've noticed is that "hack" has gone from being something incredibly clever to being some incredibly horrible.

"Yeah, it's a serious hack and it pretty much crashes all the time".

s/hack/kludge/

Re: The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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post #11
post #2

Something reminded me of this manifesto and made me think about what a "hacker" really is. Things have changed in the past 25 years.

One thing that I've noticed is that "hack" has gone from being something incredibly clever to being some incredibly horrible. "Yeah, it's a serious hack and it pretty much crashes all the time". s/hack/kludge/

On the other hand, a "hacker" has gone from someone that takes apart/breaks stuff to figure out how it works, to someone that makes stuff (albeit often quick'n'dirty). It's two directions, really.

Re: The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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>>>"This is it... this is where I belong..." I know everyone here... even if I've never met them, never talked to them, may never hear from them again... I know you all... I actually come to hacker news for a reason close to this. This is a space where no one judges me, belittles me, or criticizes me for things I couldn't possibly choose. I know that I end up wasting a lot of time here, but somehow it is a release th…

> Maybe someday I'll end up being a "hacker". It sounds like you already are.

That's quite flattering, but no I am not even close to that. I don't even know how to code that well, let alone the myriad of tiny concepts that make up CS.

Even if I do reach that level someday. I doubt it that I would proclaim myself a hacker, or anything to that effect. I don't want to spend my life running around claiming credit for things. If someone finds my ideas or code beautiful then they can point it out and I will cherish that moment with them.

Yeah, I am crazy like that.

Re: The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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> Maybe someday I'll end up being a "hacker". It sounds like you already are.

That's quite flattering, but no I am not even close to that. I don't even know how to code that well, let alone the myriad of tiny concepts that make up CS. Even if I do reach that level someday. I doubt it that I would proclaim myself a hacker, or anything to that effect. I don't want to spend my life running around claiming credit for things. If someone finds my ideas or code beautiful then they can point it out an…

Being a hacker doesn't have anything to do with coding, or computers.

My Grandfather was a hacker; he built everything himself and I doubt there was anything in his house that he hadn't taken apart and put back together. He worked in construction, and most of the heavy equipment he used was things he built himself (as in: a bulldozer, a backhoe; earth moving equipment).

In early 2000 he started getting into computers (he died shortly thereafter), he is every bit as much a hacker (if not more so) than anybody I've ever met.

Re: The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's quite flattering, but no I am not even close to that. I don't even know how to code that well, let alone the myriad of tiny concepts that make up CS. Even if I do reach that level someday. I doubt it that I would proclaim myself a hacker, or anything to that effect. I don't want to spend my life running around claiming credit for things. If someone finds my ideas or code beautiful then they can point it out an…

Being a hacker doesn't have anything to do with coding, or computers. My Grandfather was a hacker; he built everything himself and I doubt there was anything in his house that he hadn't taken apart and put back together. He worked in construction, and most of the heavy equipment he used was things he built himself (as in: a bulldozer, a backhoe; earth moving equipment). In early 2000 he started getting into computers…

Hacking isn't even about building things. It's about making things better. And it's about making those things do new things that they were never intended to do.

Re: The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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Wait a second, this is cool. It does what I want it to. If it makes a mistake, it's because I screwed it up. Not because it doesn't like me... This really spoke to me when I was a kid. Young me was really attached to the notion of creating your own destiny and taking responsibility for your own successes and failures. Back then, felt like a lot of people were just big fat whiners.

Every time I read another language rant on HN, it feels like people are still big fat whiners.

Most of the population is comprised on big fat whiners.

Re: The Hacker's Manifesto (1986)

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post #12
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing that I've noticed is that "hack" has gone from being something incredibly clever to being some incredibly horrible. "Yeah, it's a serious hack and it pretty much crashes all the time". s/hack/kludge/

On the other hand, a "hacker" has gone from someone that takes apart/breaks stuff to figure out how it works, to someone that makes stuff (albeit often quick'n'dirty). It's two directions, really.

I see them being the same. In order to improve and make something new, you need to break stuff to find faults.
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