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With a $1k Price, Apple’s iPhone Crosses a Threshold

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Re: With a $1k Price, Apple’s iPhone Crosses a Threshold

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Post by Eric_WVGG »

pmiller2 wrote: post #78
TeMPOraL wrote: post #54

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> Most new phones are pretty damn good, even the mid range. For the first week, at least. Then they start to accumulate cruft and slow down, eventually becoming barely usable. I've experienced it in the past. I see it happen for my friends and family. I decided some time ago to save up that $750 - $1k and go for the high-range phones, so that I can use them for two or three years without daily frustrations. The top-m…

I've been using a 5s for 3 years now, and I don't have much desire to replace it. I don't find it the least bit slow. The only time I get frustrated with it is when network performance is slow or reception is bad, but that happens with any phone.

The 5S was indeed a champ. You might want to hold off on iOS 11, though; I’ve been running a beta on an iPad with the same A7 cpu, and it just can’t keep up.

(Perhaps the 5S wont have it so bad given that it won’t have to deal with the new springboard and multitasking...)

Re: With a $1k Price, Apple’s iPhone Crosses a Threshold

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Post by oAlbe »

seppin wrote: post #441
mbroncano wrote: post #414

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You got it right, it's difficult to imagine for a European what it's like to deal with having no medical care if unemployed. In addition, the fact that's part of every discussion gives a hint of how much of an issue this is.

> You got it right, it's difficult to imagine for a European what it's like to deal with having no medical care if unemployed. you buy subsidized insurance. do Europeans really think the USA is just a free for all ?

There's a point below which you can't afford any kind of even subsidized insurance. Not if you want to keep paying rent, buy food, car insurance to keep going to work, phone bill, electric bill and so on. Whereas in the part of Europe where I live, the less you have the less healthcare costs you.

EDIT: The less it costs for the same quality.

Re: With a $1k Price, Apple’s iPhone Crosses a Threshold

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Post by aianus »

kk_cz wrote: post #298
TekMol wrote: post #290

I don't get what it is about the iPhone that people are willing to pay a premium for. Is it all just in the marketing? I would not mind paying $1000 for a phone if it offered any additional value over my $200 Android phone. But I cannot see anything better in the form factor of the iPhone line. And for the software - I have an iPad and I hate the software. It is so restricted. You cannot even do basic tasks like down…

So, why did you pay a premium for iPad when Android tablet at roughly half the price would give you the same functionality? (btw I don't get it either. But I don't see anything special about iPad, hence my question)

120hz refresh rate, brightest screen, best stylus

I hate iOS but the hardware is far beyond any android tablet.

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Post by lagadu »

problems wrote: post #421
lagadu wrote: post #417

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> Lineage is updated weekly for many devices You see, right there you described why most people, myself included, aren't interested in that. I can't be bothered to care about weekly OS updates, I tolerate the 1-2 yearly updates to my android because as someone in the security industry I understand the need for updates but that's it. A phone isn't something I care about tinkering with, it's a tool and I want it to wor…

I find it ironic that you're in the security industry, yet have no interest in getting security updates as quickly as possible. We're not talking about major updates here, we're talking about updates that take about 30 seconds to apply plus a reboot, once a week and you know you're always running the latest and greatest from a security standpoint. Most change nothing from a user perspective. Of course, you're free to…

I'm not in the operations side of it, I'm on the development side: whether admins apply patches or not is not our problem :)

Like I said, doing weekly or monthly updates and reboots would be an extra concern that I'd rather not have. As it stands the only "management" burden my phone (I use an HTC 10 for reference) imposes on me is having to connect it to the charger every night; It's already more than I would like but unfortunately it doesn't have wireless charging.

As far as I'm concerned, for non-hobby stuff, the least management a device asks of me, the better it is because it's a few more things I don't have to bother taking care of.

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Post by SolaceQuantum »

seppin wrote: post #441
mbroncano wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You got it right, it's difficult to imagine for a European what it's like to deal with having no medical care if unemployed. In addition, the fact that's part of every discussion gives a hint of how much of an issue this is.

> You got it right, it's difficult to imagine for a European what it's like to deal with having no medical care if unemployed. you buy subsidized insurance. do Europeans really think the USA is just a free for all ?

Subsidized insurance which still gives you costs for healthcare and sometimes doesn't cover certain tests or treatments that are considered not essential, such as birth control to treat polycystic ovaries or a blood test to diagnose functional sexual hormone levels(such a test would also detect polycystic ovaries, which untreated results in further health complications), More effective antibiotics for infection, multiple kinds of mental health medication, and dermatological medication. Not to mention confusing limitAtions of location of treatment due to network effects.

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Post by drzaiusapelord »

mbroncano wrote: post #414
Jdam wrote: post #342

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As a European, I noticed that discussions held here about X in the US _always_ converge against their healthcare. "Salary in the US is higher" - but heir healthcare sucks "Weather in California is nicer than in Oslo" - But you don't have healtcare "New York is such a great city to live in" - But you're left for dead

You got it right, it's difficult to imagine for a European what it's like to deal with having no medical care if unemployed. In addition, the fact that's part of every discussion gives a hint of how much of an issue this is.

Well, you can buy partly subsidized or receive fully subsidized healthcare (ACA/Medicaid). That's on top of programs like COBRA and in worst case scenarios welfare from the state, county, or federal levels. We also have CHIP on the federal level which is a separate program just for children, where the parents may have insurance but for some reason cannot insure their kids. That's on top of what the states themselves offer, but that's sort of rolled into the ACA nowadays, which makes more sense.

We're at 8% uninsured, which is nothing to brag about, but its far from a free for all post-apocalypse where people keel over in their desks or in the unemployment line. Its also important to note that those numbers include illegals who can't or won't get insurance due to citizen status and 1/3rd to 2/3rd of that number actually qualify for various insurance programs, but for some reason aren't seeking it (aside from citizen status).

We absolutely have a big problem with the rural poor and insurance, which is a hefty 14-20% of that demographic. I'm not sure what the fix here is especially considering rural states are heavily conservative and fight off ACA and Medicare/Medicaid expansion regularly.

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Post by kayoone »

thanksgiving wrote: post #445
tertius wrote: post #386

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Healthcare sucks AND it's ridiculously expensive.

Yes! As a twenty something single I was shocked that people saw paying $200 out of pocket each month as a privilege that comes with working. Clearly, for me it was a pure waste because I used exactly zero dollars worth of health care myself. Of course, people with infants absolutely need it. I had a coworker who had basically the same story as Jimmy Kimmel (newborn with heart defect). I can't imagine how much quality…

not getting healthcare as a 20-something is popular, but incredibly shortsighted.

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

seppin wrote: post #441
mbroncano wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You got it right, it's difficult to imagine for a European what it's like to deal with having no medical care if unemployed. In addition, the fact that's part of every discussion gives a hint of how much of an issue this is.

> You got it right, it's difficult to imagine for a European what it's like to deal with having no medical care if unemployed. you buy subsidized insurance. do Europeans really think the USA is just a free for all ?

Yes, or worse. I'm American. I live in Norway. Most folks I talk to from other countries - not just Europe - find the American health care system to be cruel and too expensive for the common person.

And by the way, I do not buy subsidized insurance. I pay my taxes, and I have health insurance. My taxes pay for health insurance. There is nothing else to pay to get that, other than a small fee for the doctor out of pocket up to a certain amount. No doctor, no medicine = no payment. Other than taxes, assuming I'm working and paying taxes.

Re: With a $1k Price, Apple’s iPhone Crosses a Threshold

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Post by Razengan »

cm2187 wrote: post #179
Razengan wrote: post #154

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> Yeah but there was a big jump in performance / new features between early iphone generations. Nowadays the difference is really marginal for every day use. You can say the exact same for PCs, which could have stopped getting any performance improvements about 5 years ago and the general populace wouldn’t have complained at all.

And you can see the effect on sales. The only reason to replace a laptop these days is if you spill some coffee on it.

And yet people keep buying iPhones in the tens of millions every year, so obviously there is something off with that logic.
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