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With a $1k Price, Apple’s iPhone Crosses a Threshold

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Re: With a $1k Price, Apple’s iPhone Crosses a Threshold

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Post by zimpenfish »

Tepix wrote: post #258
zimpenfish wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you start getting into editing 8K+ images in Photoshop. That's not much fun on a Macbook 12" (I mean, it's doable but ... slow ... ly ... and ... clu ... nk ... ily.)

Computers haven't gotten much faster in the last half decade or so. This includes the MacBook 12". GPUs and SSDs are a different subject...

It's that and Photoshop (understandbly) chewing RAM like an absolute demon - 8GB isn't really enough for Photoshopping large images with multiple layers. I would use my 24GB Windows 10 machine but ... that's even worse due to Windows 10.

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Post by idonotknowwhy »

otalp wrote: post #157
erikb wrote: post #111

You may think this price is ridiculous, but iPhones are slowly dying for two to four generaltions already. The only people still on iPhone are the ones who consider it too hard to switch to Android (low IT skills), or the ones who feel some fan-like loyalty. The price matches that perfectly, exploiting the weak and stupid. PS: Why do I call fans stupid? The company isn't 1% as loyal to you as you are to them. If you…

Eric Schmidt has said he uses an iPhone. Elon Musk uses an iPhone 7. Mark Zuckerburg uses a MacBook Air. Travis Kalnick uses an iPhone. Most people who I know that work as engineers at Google and Facebook in the US use iPhones. But sure, they are weak and stupid and you are enlightened. The iPhone 7 which released last year is more powerful than the Galaxy S8. Android phones lag embarrassingly behind in terms of CPU…

> The iPhone 7 which released last year is more powerful than the Galaxy S8.

And yet, the Galaxy S8, Xperia XZ Premium, etc, can play Gamecube games at full speed via Dolphin. No iPhone can do this.

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Post by balladeer »

princekolt wrote: post #250
alkonaut wrote: post #189

A lot of people just get the best iphone every 24 months (e.g. rich people, or people who have a generous smartphone policy at work). Having a model that gets another couple of hundred bucks from those people is pretty clever I think. This is basically the S-class phone (To make a car analogy, because that's what we do). The S-class Mercedes costs twice as much as the "Normal" E-class, and each time they launch a new…

I can completely understand the reasoning, and it is very clever indeed. This goes in line with the first Apple Watch Edition, which sold for $10k+ but wasn't very successful at all, not even for a luxury product. So they quietly removed it from sale and instead pushed the ceramic model which is still a luxury product both in looks and in price, but not at that gold tier. However, the price of the lowest-tier of the…

By saying no need of an iPhone you mean to say no need of a phone altogether since the watch will already have LTE or you mean to say consumers will be free to buy any other phone?

Because just relying on the watch (for modes of communication, consumption etc) might have other constraints like battery life, reading, other forms of ease etc.

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Post by exodust »

Planned obsolescence is my biggest gripe with Apple and other brands that do this.

My 2012 iOS device is now stuck on iOS9. I wouldn't mind except they bundle web browser updates with the OS. This is wrong.

The web browser on iOS9 does not support javascript ES6 features such as the "Let" statement. Any web sites that use let statements will fail on iOS 9. I discovered this recently when browsing on my iPad3, 2012 model. Apple doesn't care, they just want people throwing their old hardware in the trash and buying latest product.

I understand why I can't have iOS10 on an iPad3, but the web browser should be given updates separately.

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Post by mstolpm »

First of all, Apple don't need to sell many of these models: We're all doing an incredible job for Apple discussing the price tag of an unannounced phone. That alone is worth millions and millions for Apple PR.

Nonetheless I believe they will sell lots and lots of these models: It will be a status item.

Moreover, in a lot of countries, most people don't but smartphones fully upfront to own them, but pay monthly with their phone bill. So, its not $1k or $1.5k, but perhaps $50 more upfront compared to other high end smartphones and another $15 monthly surcharge on the phone bill. Doesn't seem sooo incredible that way, isn't it?

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Post by 5_minutes »

grantcox wrote: post #95
nikofeyn wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as a user of both windows and mac os x, what do you truly like about mac os x that you prefer it so heavily over windows?

I've recently started using Windows again on a gaming computer. Here are the problems I found, that felt "ugh, Windows": - I'm now used to the "inverse mouse scrolling". To enable this for my mouse (logitech something?) I needed to edit the registry. Every time I plug it into a new USB port it's now a new device with a new registry entry to hack. - I installed the various device drivers that came with my hardware. Th…

Sounds like hell and Windows xp

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Post by bfred_it »

Tepix wrote: post #275

Another way to look at it: $1000 for two years. After two years, sell the phone for $300-$400. That's $25-$29 per month. Around $1 per day.

You can make that excuse for everything. I don't want to pay "Just $1 per day" on overpriced items. I'd rather pay $0.7 per day on a ok-priced item.

I hope all of this hostility from Apple will result in lower marketshare and a slow fade into oblivion. I use Apple products because they're the best, but if I have to spend $1.4k for a phone and $3.5k for a computer I'll hope MS and GOOG have somewhat caught up to the quality because it's getting tiring.

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Post by GuB-42 »

Kluny wrote: post #218
alkonaut wrote: post #189

A lot of people just get the best iphone every 24 months (e.g. rich people, or people who have a generous smartphone policy at work). Having a model that gets another couple of hundred bucks from those people is pretty clever I think. This is basically the S-class phone (To make a car analogy, because that's what we do). The S-class Mercedes costs twice as much as the "Normal" E-class, and each time they launch a new…

I also know a guy who made his living for many years repairing and reselling iPhones, who simply buys the top of the line as soon as it comes out and resells the old one to pay for it, at as close to full price as he can get away with. Since he always gets the most specc'd out phone available, treats it very carefully, always inside an otterbox, and is a pretty decent salesman, he usually gets his price. He also clai…

A good strategy, however he is not really the owner of the phone. He is essentially renting it from the next buyer.

One consequence is that he has no option but treat is carefully, use a case, a screen protector, etc.. which is kind of ironic considering how much effort is put on the exterior design of the phone.

Selling the phone also has a non-zero cost : you have to find a buyer and make the transaction. In that guy's case, when he sells his own iPhone, he doesn't sell something else from his shop. And he has the advantage of being an experienced salesman and having a shop.

As for the tax write-off, sure, but I suppose that if you write off your phone as a business expense, you also need to declare the sale as business income. I doubt it is as straightforward as one may think. That guy, who is presumably a business owner, probably has an accountant to deal with such issues.

What I am trying to say is that that guy strategy probably works very well for him but how it will work for you is another story.

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