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With a $1k Price, Apple’s iPhone Crosses a Threshold

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Re: With a $1k Price, Apple’s iPhone Crosses a Threshold

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_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #120
dannysu wrote: post #18

Nobody looks at a top of the line PC with the best graphics card(s) and say it's crossing a threshold. Everybody understands it's for a certain demographic. According to rumors, they're still going to have various models and price points. Also, iPhones are extremely economical because no other phones receive OS updates for as long. My iPhone 6, which cost $749 at the time, is coming up to 3 years old. It's still flaw…

So your last generation iPhone still gets updates? I would not call that a excellent benchmark in my book. The trouble with iOS devices is that they stop being usable the moment you can no longer update the OS in the way that most applications only support the newest OS (happened to several iPads here with e.g. Amazon app, Twitter, Youtube) - because updates roll out to the majority of users so fast compared to Andro…

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Post by philliphaydon »

bthrn wrote: post #36
pravda wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An iPhone is a Veblen good [1]. The purpose of buying an iPhone is to advertise your economic resources. Like a Gucci handbag or a Rolex watch. With a smaller markup. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veblen_good

That the purpose of it is to advertise economic resources is not true. My wife has an iPhone because it's the most competent tool she can use to get the job done. Having used several Android phones prior to this, I don't blame her. Relatively speaking there are fewer security issues, compatibility quirks, and reliability issues with iPhones which makes them worth the price to her. After the 2 year mark our Android ph…

I've tried android twice and both times were bad experiences but from recommended phones from people. My first iphone experience was bad (iPhone4) but I picked up again from 6s plus and never looked back.

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Post by izacus »

devwastaken wrote: post #90

After recently doing a bit of research into a new smartphone, I begun to understand why people buy Iphones, even if they're really really expensive. Firstly, you can explain it away financially with monthly payments, like any phone through a provider, but the biggest pain point I had is proven reliability. Take any popular Android phone, and you'll see a history of unsolved hardware problems from the manufacturer, su…

So basically your own telecom operator is preventing you from using yourn own phone? How do you people tolerate that?

My SO actually has the Moto Z Play and that phone has one feature that even none of the Apple iPhones had - the battery will easily live for three days, pretty much eliminating battery anxiety when traveling or staying somewhere for extended periods of time. It really feels wierd again to not have to worry about dragging cables, chargers and battery packs around on every minor event.

Re: With a $1k Price, Apple’s iPhone Crosses a Threshold

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Post by arnvald »

Yetanfou wrote: post #30
dannysu wrote: post #18

Nobody looks at a top of the line PC with the best graphics card(s) and say it's crossing a threshold. Everybody understands it's for a certain demographic. According to rumors, they're still going to have various models and price points. Also, iPhones are extremely economical because no other phones receive OS updates for as long. My iPhone 6, which cost $749 at the time, is coming up to 3 years old. It's still flaw…

I see your 3 year young iPhone and raise my 6 year old Motorola Defy. I bought it new in 2011 for about 1/4 of what the then-current iPhone would have cost. It still works flawlessly, the battery is fine as well (~5 days of normal use on a single charge or ~7 hours of screen time). If the battery were to fail I could just replace it, no tools required. Oh, the thing is waterproof and 'shock-proof' (although the latte…

Does it still get updates though?

In 2011 I bought a Motorola Droid 2 and I it's been one of the best phones I've used, but I don't think I've ever got any system update. It's been stuck on 2.1 forever.

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Post by marvelous »

dannysu wrote: post #51
Yetanfou wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see your 3 year young iPhone and raise my 6 year old Motorola Defy. I bought it new in 2011 for about 1/4 of what the then-current iPhone would have cost. It still works flawlessly, the battery is fine as well (~5 days of normal use on a single charge or ~7 hours of screen time). If the battery were to fail I could just replace it, no tools required. Oh, the thing is waterproof and 'shock-proof' (although the latte…

That misses a key point I was making: OS updates. Yes, I too have a Nexus 4 (bought in 2012) and it still works fine. But no more updates. I don't consider that on par with say my previous work laptop, which was also 3 years before I upgraded. I also own a Moto E (2nd Gen, $60-ish) and bought a Moto G+ for my brother this year, but I can't count on them to receive OS updates for as long.

The Motos are well supported by aftermarket ROMs if you want updates. They might be among the cheapest with this.

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Post by thrownblown »

thingerr wrote: post #62
Yetanfou wrote: post #55

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That is what AOSP and its derivatives are for, to pick up development when the manufacturer gives up. The Defy did not get updated past 2.3.6 by Motorola, anything after that (currently running 4.4.4 which is as far as this device will go) comes from there. Since Android apps are generally backward compatible for a long time, older Android devices can still run current apps. This is actually one of the advantages And…

First, you aren't talking about the average consumer anymore. If we're talking flashing operating systems, sideloading kernel updates and boot loaders in order to feel secure about your mobile device, then an older, vertically supported iOS device is probably a better bet. Secondly, AOSP isn't forever. After your carrier/device-manufacturer drops support, Google isn't that far behind. If you're not getting AOSP drops…

Lineage OS is pretty easy on my nexus 6. Unlocking the bootloader was the hardest part, which is literally "fastboot OEM unlock"

So yeah its hard. YMMV.

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Post by pvg »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #119

Is the new iPhone really going to be $999? I wonder if Apple are seeding rumours like this to make a smaller price increase seem more reasonable.

This is the OLED, face recognition, fully tricked out model. There will be several tiers and they're not all going to be a grand. Have you ever heard a too-high price rumour of an Apple anything, throughout the decades of them selling endless piles of expensive stuff? Seeding rumours, heh.

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Post by varjag »

Symbiote wrote: post #81
jkaptur wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Andy Warhol: "What’s great about this country is that America started the tradition where the richest consumers buy essentially the same things as the poorest. You can be watching TV and see Coca-Cola, and you know that the President drinks Coke, Liz Taylor drinks Coke, and just think, you can drink Coke, too. A Coke is a Coke and no amount of money can get you a better Coke than the one the bum on the corner is drin…

This was said before fancier soft drinks were sold, I assume. For example, some bars round here sell this cola: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fentimans_Curiosity_Cola

But is is really… unaffordable to anyone but the richest?

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Post by eksemplar »

StavrosK wrote: post #113
eksemplar wrote: post #99

I'd pay $1000 if I could throw it in to a wall without breaking it. Until then I'll stick to buying previous generation hardware for 70% the price.

I hear you, I can't find a car I can drive through the bottom of a lake either.

I don't crash my car once a week.
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