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Dear Amazon, We Picked Your New Headquarters for You

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Gay employees can't marry. That's all you need to say no.

Even if that were true, why would that be relevant for deciding between two cities in the same state?

I'm an idiot cuz I forgot about the SC decision.

However, I meant it's relevant between Austin/Dallas and other cities nationally.

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Denver based software guy here: I used to live in North Carolina. My son was born there, and it's where I met my wife. Charlotte is a terrible place for Amazon. The weather isn't remarkably good, gay employees can't get married, the public schools are shit thanks to the state, the traffic is bad, and it's culturally not noteworthy. Sorry. It's just not a good location. Raleigh could do it, but isn't big enough, and a…

> gay employees can't get married Is this still true? I thought the Supreme Court decision applied to the whole country?

I'm a moron. Forgot about the SC decision.

Still, the state gov't isn't kind to LGBTQ people.

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I live in the Denver metro area and I think this assessment is pretty spot-on. The only downside is rush hour traffic around downtown can add 15-20 minutes to the commute. However, these is a significant light rail presence. I would say quality of life is great for anyone that likes to do anything outdoors: fishing, skiing, mountain bikes, dirt bikes, etc. And there's a pretty strong community of software engineers h…

I lived in Denver for the past 2 years and agree with this assessment as well. The light rail has expanded lines in recent years to the airport and I have read that the plan is for that expansion to continue to eventually link Denver and Boulder. Amazon could build their huge complex anywhere in that area and workers could take public transportation to the office.

The Denver-Boulder train isn't going to happen for a very long time. IIRC the current target date is 2044.

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I work at a software company between Boulder and Denver. It's easy to recruit people here. You fly them out (at any time of year, even winter) and the weather is typically sunny and pleasant. (yes, in the winter, it's usually sunny, dry, and mild temps) Good luck doing that in Detroit.

But why would you want Amazon in Colorado? Rent there is already increasing, Amazon there would make everything unaffordable.

The housing prices in Colorado are high because of a specific reason that is soon going to end:

1) Land is available, but labor and building companies are still not fully recovered from the 2008 bust, and this has created a sharp supply issue with new housing to accommodate the hordes of newcomers.

2) This issue is quickly on the way to being remedied, because the housing prices are high enough to produce huge profits for builders, and the national companies are quickly getting their infrastructure in place.

3) If anything, housing prices are going to retreat downward, (probably not a crash due to demand) and Amazon would help cement the decision for big building companies to devote more assets to correcting the supply issue.

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But why would you want Amazon in Colorado? Rent there is already increasing, Amazon there would make everything unaffordable.

I can't speak for the grandparent poster, but it seems he was making a case for Denver being great for Amazon, not necessarily discussing if Amazon would be great for Denver. That said, I wouldn't mind seeing Amazon HQ2 locate here. While I doubt I would personally want to work for Amazon due to its reputation as being a lousy place to work, it would probably boost the tech scene and salaries. I think Denver's cost o…

Correct. I think Amazon would be ok for Denver. It would probably boost tech salaries across the board here.

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Gay marriage has been legal in all 50 states for 2 years now

You're right. I'm a moron. However, I'd like to point out that Texas state gov't doesn't send a big "welcome" message of tolerance and inclusion to LGBTQ community.

Houston was the first city in the US to elect an openly lesbian mayor.

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This is such a terrible way to make a decision like this. The types of filters they used were completely arbitrary,the filtering level for each type of filter was arbitrary, and the number of filters they used was arbitrary. Plus, they didn't even include Toronto, who is probably a very strong contender.

I agree, there is strong factors to consider a location outside of the US. Despite the NYT analysis, I think this is going to end up in Boston. I don't buy the "there is no room for the location" argument. It is like they've never been to Boston. Sure you can't drop it in the downtown but there are lots of areas in need of redevelopment very near by. I also think that Boston has a huge advantage in terms of talent po…

Boston has colleges and universities, and yes, they are amazing.

But guess what? Recent college graduates are happy to move to places with better weather and lower costs of living, and they do. We interview top tier people looking to relocate from Boston all the time.

I say that as someone who loves Boston, and especially like the culture and people.

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> We asked the economist David Albouy to rank these metro areas for us with an index he uses to measure how much people would be willing to sacrifice, in terms of housing costs and commutes, to live in desirable places. On that basis, we cut Charlotte, N.C. My experience being that neither housing costs nor commute times being horribly bad around CLT - this bums me out. It's actually a great city with lots of nature…

CLT beats Denver in housing costs and traffic/commutes handily, so I'm similarly confused -those are poor reasons to eliminate CLT currently. The nature around Denver definitely beats CLT though, especially if you like mountain sports, but NC also has beaches.

I spent a lot of time living in NC.

Charlotte is just meh. It's not a quick drive to beaches (hours) , and it's an hour or more from the mountains. The business culture is banking oriented, the downtown/city center is crime-ridden, and it's heavily suburbanized.

The airport is good. That's it. Otherwise Asheville or Raleigh would both be better. Asheville is a non-starter due to it's small size though.

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Absolutely love, despite the fact that it's mentioned numerous times that Amazon is searching all of NA for its second hq, that both Canada, and Mexico are completely ignored. This is despite the fact that Toronto is currently the continents fastest growing tech market due to a lot of factors that would be of incredible interest to a behemoth like Amazon. Feels a like a bit of a snub of the thumb by NYT on that one..…

I'm simply not a fan of any business building huge HQ offices in Toronto. Ontario as a province is all too happy to regulate the crap out of things that don't need it, and the population has an amazing capacity to support the regulations, regardless of merit, as long as they are different enough from whatever the US is doing.

The weather is terrible compared to Vancouver or ANYWHERE IN THE US. Yeah, it's easy to bring in immigrants, but that's not enough for a 50,000 strong hq.

Let's not forget that they are in the midst of a huge, epic housing bubble that dwarfs anything seen in the US in 2007. Toronto is insanely expensive for the privilege of living in a city whose weather is approximately (less snow, but still) like that of the cities in the US that are known for their terrible winters. (Buffalo, Erie, Cleveland)

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