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Dear Amazon, We Picked Your New Headquarters for You

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Re: Dear Amazon, We Picked Your New Headquarters for You

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I'm surprised to see Philadelphia eliminated so quickly, it ticks almost all of the boxes, and has a very large number of engineering schools (UPenn, Penn State, Drexel, Temple, Princeton, Rutgers, etc). It's transit is better than many of the other cities, and it has 2 major development plots in the city with existing full tax abatements. Not to mention its proximity to NYC and Washington, DC via Amtrak (~1h20m to N…

I was a little surprised as well. I'm opinionated: I live here, after living in NYC, Chicago, and Portland, and spending a lot of time in Toronto.

Philadelphia doesn't have tech scene like SF or Seattle, but it's well positioned for the next generation for several reasons.

Philadelphia has among the best, or the best, medical institutions associated with upenn and the children's hospital of Philadelphia, and both have signaled that they're very amenable to startups and new ideas. If you wanted to build a medical tech company that's not in San Francisco or Boston, it's great. It has a lot of extraordinary livability: extremely walkable, great public transit, and affordable. And while I'm not defending our politics per se, it agrees with the politics of many developers in NYC and the bay area. It has phenomenal art and food scene that's not copying other cities.

Developers in NYC tired of paying absurd prices for rent would move here in a heartbeat for the right job (and other opportunities if that fell through). In Williamsburg, my grad school roommate and I paid 2400 (plus broker fees) for a 500-700 sq foot apartment, each bedroom big enough to hold a queen sized bed + 3 feet, and a "kitchen/living room" (I'm being generous) that housed a loveseat and not much else. And it wasn't fancy, by any stretch: a five floor walkup with an alley view. It was still 30-80 minutes to work depending on the time of day. In Philadelphia you could live within walking distance to anywhere for half to 2/3 that in a much nicer apartment or townhome: check Zillow/Redfin/Apartments.com if you'd like a fair comparison. Good suburbs are 20-30 minutes by car and 40 minutes by trains that come every 10-20 minutes.

The biggest downside is that there are not as many backup tech jobs, but compared with Chicago, I see it much easier to bring developers here. The ease of moving here is not hard: I travel to NYC 2-3 days/week, the bus is 10 dollars and takes 2 hours to 6th/Grand, the train is 45 dollars and takes 70 - 90 minutes.

Re: Dear Amazon, We Picked Your New Headquarters for You

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm surprised DFW was knocked out at that stage too. From what I hear traffic is horrible in Denver.

People say traffic is bad in LA, but Seattle is next level congestion.

Really? Having lived in Seattle and visited LA, my impression was that traffic and public transit in the latter were both WAY worse.

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Absolutely love, despite the fact that it's mentioned numerous times that Amazon is searching all of NA for its second hq, that both Canada, and Mexico are completely ignored. This is despite the fact that Toronto is currently the continents fastest growing tech market due to a lot of factors that would be of incredible interest to a behemoth like Amazon. Feels a like a bit of a snub of the thumb by NYT on that one..…

As they explained in the article: > (With apologies to Canada, we’ve set aside Toronto and several other large cities because they’re not included in most of the data sets we’ve used to determine which places meet Amazon’s needs.)

If the NYT were intellectually honest, that would have been the point at which the editor said "okay, this is pointless, let's not do the article".

Reporting results you know are flawed is not the correct response to discovering that it's impossible to get non-flawed results.

Re: Dear Amazon, We Picked Your New Headquarters for You

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Why doesn't Amazon choose a city that almost meets their criteria and invest the wealth they generate there back into the city? Then we get more good cities instead of overinvesting into any single city.

Why haven't you done all manner of things to improve the world at your expense? How much are you donating to Harvey relief? Why haven't you sold your gas car to buy an electric? Etc.

Re: Dear Amazon, We Picked Your New Headquarters for You

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This is going to sound crazy and I have no idea of the "Willingness to pay to play" aspect but...

Nashua New Hampshire.

- Easy reverse commute from Boston

- Easy access to Boston schools

- New Hampshire is a business friendly state

- Plenty of cheap office space

- No income or sales tax

And, if a larger[1] company moves into the area it will make the commuter rail to Boston project the city has been trying to push a no brainer.

It is even already in one of the highlighted areas of the article (the Boston highlighted region covers Nashua).

[1] It is already home to the headquarters an entire large subdivision of BAE Systems, as well an Oracle office, EMC, Fidelity, and an Amazon distribution center.

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I live in Atlanta. I was hopefully it would be the final pick...but when I got down to the section about being able to move around the city easily, I knew we'd be cut.

Not going to complain about traffic/mass-transit here...but it's a known issue and we supposedly lost another bid (can't think of the company here) because of traffic. We did get a few others...Mercedes-Benz for one.

Re: Dear Amazon, We Picked Your New Headquarters for You

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Actually I would challenge the idea Houston doesn't have enough of the professionals required.

Houston was eliminated as not having enough white collar workers. Yet they left in Austin which is far smaller because at least 12.5 % base of their base has the right skills.

It makes sense to compare desired jobs versus the general population but not without context. Seriously with six million+ people here, do you really need 12.5% or 750,000 of them to be what Amazon would consider hiring when they only need 50,000 people?

I find the idea absurd: Amazon could fill their entire job quota out of the current worker pool.

Re: Dear Amazon, We Picked Your New Headquarters for You

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Absolutely love, despite the fact that it's mentioned numerous times that Amazon is searching all of NA for its second hq, that both Canada, and Mexico are completely ignored. This is despite the fact that Toronto is currently the continents fastest growing tech market due to a lot of factors that would be of incredible interest to a behemoth like Amazon. Feels a like a bit of a snub of the thumb by NYT on that one..…

The second-class nature of amazon.ca would indicate that Amazon doesn't take the market very seriously.

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This really burns me. The Times compared the metro population of Grand Rapids (1 million) to Detroit's population (670,000) in order to disqualify the city in their first round. But metro Detroit has a population of 4.5 million so the Times either was sloppy with their criteria or they deliberately snubbed Detroit. Detroit may be a dark horse in this competition but with Dan Gilbert going all out to win I don't think…

Same with Phoenix as Phoenix metro is 4.5 mil. and lots of room to grow, great cities in Tempe/Scottsdale/Chandler and more with an Amazon presence already here.

But ultimately they are probably right, Denver deserves it. Great quality of life, smart governance, good markets, healthy living and room to grow. Lots of people moving to Denver just like Seattle so it is very close to the same style of city. It is very, very easy to attract people to Denver.

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This really burns me. The Times compared the metro population of Grand Rapids (1 million) to Detroit's population (670,000) in order to disqualify the city in their first round. But metro Detroit has a population of 4.5 million so the Times either was sloppy with their criteria or they deliberately snubbed Detroit. Detroit may be a dark horse in this competition but with Dan Gilbert going all out to win I don't think…

Still, despite the size of metro Detroit, I think it's 100% off the table for Amazon's HQ2. The positive side of it is, sure, Amazon could own Detroit like vintage Ford – that's neat but I don't think Amazon wants that. The winters are still some of the most frigid and intimidating of any major American city, Michigan is still seen as the turncoat swing state (or one of them) that lead to Trump's election, and even t…

I think it'd be an amazing PR move, to be honest, and one Amazon would profit much from and suffer minimal risk. Amazon has been criticized lately for eating retail and causing economic upheaval. Going into Detroit turns all that around.

Shinola has been capitalizing on Detroitness. So has Chrysler, successfully.

Things are moving back from burbs into the city and gaining visibility. These are the successful test cases. "Imported from Detroit"

(The bankruptcy itself hasn't prevented much from improving in Detroit. The bankruptcy turned out to be the launchpad.)

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