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Identity Theft, Credit Reports, and You

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Re: Identity Theft, Credit Reports, and You

#141

Does anyone know what I can do as an US citizen abroad to protect myself now? I tried to get a free copy of my credit report but it required a us address to process. I tried to set up an account to freeze my credit but those require a us address as well.

Read TFA.

Re: Identity Theft, Credit Reports, and You

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post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Important not-a-lawyer advice: recording phone calls without the other party's consent is illegal in wide swathes of the U.S., but keeping copies of letters is legal everywhere.

Question: When the party states that "this call may be recorded for quality or training purposes", does that give you reciprocal permission to record the call or do you have to explicitly ask for it? Any lawyers with opinion on this?

IANAL, but if you live in a two-party (all-party?) consent state, its only illegal if you don't tell them. You can do exactly what they do: prefix your call with "this call is being recorded for my records".

Remember, your goal isn't to secretly pull out a recording that proves they're lying while in court. You don't want to go to court at all. To that end, you want them to know you're keeping a paper (or virtual paper) trail. So tell them.

Re: Identity Theft, Credit Reports, and You

#143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Question: When the party states that "this call may be recorded for quality or training purposes", does that give you reciprocal permission to record the call or do you have to explicitly ask for it? Any lawyers with opinion on this?

If I tell someone "my nose may be touched" then I'm allowing them to touch my nose. If I tell someone "this call may be recorded", then surely I'm giving them permission to record the call. Their ability to detect my lies seems to be a reasonable "quality" purpose.

You would be intentionally conflating two different definitions of the homograph "may" (i.e. permission "you are allowed to X" versus possibility "X might happen").

You could argue that "any reasonable person" would have interpreted the "may" in that statement as giving you permission to record the call for training purposes (as opposed to letting you know that your call might be recorded for training purposes), but I wouldn't want to be in you shoes when you try.

Just tell them that you're recording the call too, and sidestep the issue entirely.

Re: Identity Theft, Credit Reports, and You

#144

Does anyone know what I can do as an US citizen abroad to protect myself now? I tried to get a free copy of my credit report but it required a us address to process. I tried to set up an account to freeze my credit but those require a us address as well.

Read TFA.

TFA says to order a free credit report or put freezes on your accounts, which as I just mentioned require usa addresses.

Re: Identity Theft, Credit Reports, and You

#145

It's my understanding that FICO scores are all created using software from FICO. So I don't think the term has become generic as the article implies.

It depends on the context and strictness of the term.

Much of it is the reverse: "credit score" means "FICO score" when you are being assessed, but not when you request a "free credit score".

Re: Identity Theft, Credit Reports, and You

#146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read TFA.

TFA says to order a free credit report or put freezes on your accounts, which as I just mentioned require usa addresses.

Write letters. Explain your situation. Make not fixing your problem a bigger problem than fixing your problem. Do so credibly.

That's the meta-message of TFA.

Re: Identity Theft, Credit Reports, and You

#147
post #87

> Mean words cannot hurt a bank. Threats cannot hurt a bank. Paper trails, though, are terrifying to regulated institutions. Your bank’s customer support representatives are taught to evaluate whether someone looks like they’re competent and collecting a paper trail. If they are, the CS rep is supposed to stop touching the case immediately and instead escalate them to a supervisor or to the legal department. This is…

Important not-a-lawyer advice: recording phone calls without the other party's consent is illegal in wide swathes of the U.S., but keeping copies of letters is legal everywhere.

I wonder if this law still makes sense. I feel it could be altered to say that recording someone without them even knowing you are listening should be illegal, but I don't see why it should be illegal to record a consenting conversation between two people.

Btw, does it apply to video recording as well?

Re: Identity Theft, Credit Reports, and You

#148
post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if this is a late 201x thing, but over decades of having piss-poor credit and no funds with which to make advanced payments, I never once had a problem getting phone and Internet service. Renting cars? Yes. Needing to provide some extra documentation for landlords? Yes. Opening new checking accounts? Yes. Getting DSL or cable? Not once.

I was surprised too. It was for having zero credit rather than bad credit. Maybe it was just a corner case I fell into. It was in Petaluma CA in 2010 or so.

When I was moving into my first apartment in 2000, one of my planned roommates had the same problem. He had never had any sort of credit/debt account and the landlord wasn't able to actually pull a credit report.

Re: Identity Theft, Credit Reports, and You

#149
post #87

> Mean words cannot hurt a bank. Threats cannot hurt a bank. Paper trails, though, are terrifying to regulated institutions. Your bank’s customer support representatives are taught to evaluate whether someone looks like they’re competent and collecting a paper trail. If they are, the CS rep is supposed to stop touching the case immediately and instead escalate them to a supervisor or to the legal department. This is…

Important not-a-lawyer advice: recording phone calls without the other party's consent is illegal in wide swathes of the U.S., but keeping copies of letters is legal everywhere.

Yes, check your states laws. Some states are two-party consent, but a good number are one-party consent states. And in a one-party consent state you recording yourself is legal without the other parties knowledge because you gave your consent to make the recording of yourself.

Re: Identity Theft, Credit Reports, and You

#150

Another good way to protect yourself is to save money, and avoid needing to rely on banks for a credit lifeline.

Even if you don't have a line of credit, identity theft is a very common occurrence. If you know you don't owe anything, it's still pretty scary to receive a letter saying your debt has been passed onto a debt collection agency. Last year somebody opened a number of phone contracts and ordered TV (to my house...?) in my name. Here in the UK apparently you just need a name, address and date of birth to walk out of a s…

The advice here is very American-centric and cites US law. You should look up the laws in the UK. Letter writing may not have the same punch that it does in the US.
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