Ask HN: How are you teaching your children programming? • Hacker News Board

Re: Ask HN: How are you teaching your children programming?

#61

Post by jstewartmobile » Fri, Sep 08, 2017, 7:45 AM UTC

I'd stick to the stuff actual programmers use.

You'd kind-of be dogging your kids if they didn't get at least a little dose of the messes we have to deal with as developers.

It's like if you got them all excited about writing slick screensavers, and they have a ball, then when it's time to get a job they realize it's all about grinding out the same boring shit everyone else is doing, and having a million little bullshit-meeting-micro-dominance struggles over everything from FP-vs-OOP down to tabs-vs-spaces.

At least they'll have been warned.

Re: Ask HN: How are you teaching your children programming?

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Post by whiskers08xmt » Fri, Sep 08, 2017, 9:53 AM UTC

jstewartmobile wrote: post #61

I'd stick to the stuff actual programmers use. You'd kind-of be dogging your kids if they didn't get at least a little dose of the messes we have to deal with as developers. It's like if you got them all excited about writing slick screensavers, and they have a ball, then when it's time to get a job they realize it's all about grinding out the same boring shit everyone else is doing, and having a million little bulls…

Programming doesn't necessarily have to be job training. It can be useful, and even joyous, outside of a the modern office setting.

Re: Ask HN: How are you teaching your children programming?

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Post by jstewartmobile » Fri, Sep 08, 2017, 12:05 PM UTC

whiskers08xmt wrote: post #62

jstewartmobile wrote: post #61

I'd stick to the stuff actual programmers use. You'd kind-of be dogging your kids if they didn't get at least a little dose of the messes we have to deal with as developers. It's like if you got them all excited about writing slick screensavers, and they have a ball, then when it's time to get a job they realize it's all about grinding out the same boring shit everyone else is doing, and having a million little bulls…

Programming doesn't necessarily have to be job training. It can be useful, and even joyous, outside of a the modern office setting.

Never said it did, and most things can be joyous outside of the modern office setting. Hell, I like cooking, but I wouldn't want to do it in institutional quantities on a daily basis.

Re: Ask HN: How are you teaching your children programming?

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Re: Ask HN: How are you teaching your children programming?

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Post by narimiran » Sat, Sep 09, 2017, 8:38 AM UTC

johnny313 wrote: post #32

spike021 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If he doesn't have internet access on that box, won't that be a problem once he needs some library from PIP or elsewhere? I'm sure right now he's just using the standard libraries, though.

I agree, the setup now won't work for too long. He is using all standard libraries now - once he needs more, we will figure it out as we go!

> He is using all standard libraries now - once he needs more, we will figure it out as we go!

Maybe you could install Anaconda (or some similar distribution), which has lots (almost 500) of popular libraries preinstalled.

Re: Ask HN: How are you teaching your children programming?

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Post by uoaei » Sun, Sep 10, 2017, 10:39 AM UTC

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #44

Applejinx wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ew, on several orthogonal levels.

Could you expand on your reaction a bit? Seems like encouraging children to follow an interest that could lead them to wealth through work isn't a bad thing?

You're encouraging a money-grubbing attitude, which is not really a healthy one to have for long-term happiness.

Furthermore, if they only see it as a path to money and not an end in itself to construct great, helpful, beautiful programs, they're gonna burn out real quick.

Also, "having money" as a goal is just somehow repulsive. Seemingly all the sleazeballs of the world are oriented like this, and as a result they tend to be very shady and use people as means to getting money rather than actually people, with whom meaningful relationships can be forged.