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Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else feel overpaid?

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No, making around 14-15k as webdev (italy) - the developers are the lowest-earning people in our company.

Where in Italy? I've always considered moving to Italy for the beautiful landscapes, food and the people, but salary as SW was always what kept me from it.

I've lived there. Best to have US clients, except you still get paid in $, aka 0.8 euro on the dollar

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else feel overpaid?

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You can't do shit with 90k usd if you live in SF or NY. If you live in the midwest, good!

Think that as you are possibly an american, your parents might be at ur age getting a house and perhaps even raising you.

We definitely make a lot of money, but everything nowadays if expensive and the "end-game" objectives are more expensive for us than it was for our parents.

In the end, it's just a number, and you are possibly worse off than the previous generation.

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post #22

No, making around 14-15k as webdev (italy) - the developers are the lowest-earning people in our company.

Where in Italy? I've always considered moving to Italy for the beautiful landscapes, food and the people, but salary as SW was always what kept me from it.

Alto Adige (South Tyrol), Which is one of the economically strongest regions of Italy. Lots of mountains (well, the Region used to be part of Austria, and people speak mostly German and Italian here. I don't even think self-employed web developers have an easier time, there's just too many, it seems...

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else feel overpaid?

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After 20 years in this industry, only one thought comes to mind.

"I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all."

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else feel overpaid?

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You can't do shit with 90k usd if you live in SF or NY. If you live in the midwest, good! Think that as you are possibly an american, your parents might be at ur age getting a house and perhaps even raising you. We definitely make a lot of money, but everything nowadays if expensive and the "end-game" objectives are more expensive for us than it was for our parents. In the end, it's just a number, and you are possibl…

That's bullshit.

Even after rent, you still end up with more money than most people earn in other places.

Those who make such claims usually seem to be those who get coffees at Starbucks, eat out every day, travel multiple times a year, get Uber rides everywhere, drink at bars regularly, buy the latest gadgets, etc.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else feel overpaid?

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You can't do shit with 90k usd if you live in SF or NY. If you live in the midwest, good! Think that as you are possibly an american, your parents might be at ur age getting a house and perhaps even raising you. We definitely make a lot of money, but everything nowadays if expensive and the "end-game" objectives are more expensive for us than it was for our parents. In the end, it's just a number, and you are possibl…

That's bullshit. Even after rent, you still end up with more money than most people earn in other places. Those who make such claims usually seem to be those who get coffees at Starbucks, eat out every day, travel multiple times a year, get Uber rides everywhere, drink at bars regularly, buy the latest gadgets, etc.

What's the point of conquering the whole world if your people then can't even afford a coffee or a taxi? Where do you think all the wealth extracted from developing countries ends up? And it's not like it's going to magically return there if a few people refuse to get Starbucks or use taxis.

>Even after rent, you still end up with more money than most people earn in other places.

It's virtually certain that people in management, sales or any other important part (besides engineering) of any company aren't thinking like this. "How much can I get" is much more constructive way to approach this, compared to "how much do I need".

Remember, you don't have to spend a bunch of money on useless crap, but since most people are doing just that, you can negotiate as if you did too.

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