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More like 5 if people want to use the term "engineer" on their CV.
Disagree. Engineer here - I did a 6 week bootcamp and immediately got hired at Amazon. $150k+, the most I've ever been paid. Still learning tons but my experience was quite positive.
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You're just assuming that though. You don't have producible evidence of this. It's the conclusion that you want to draw, so anything that might provide your conclusion evidence, you take as evidence. What I can tell you is that I know many, many bootcamp grads and virtually all of them got good jobs, at good companies and not always junior. I still don't take that as proof of anything and am willing to take evidence…
So you think it's likely the number of "will not hire fresh from bootcamps" is limited to the 5 which explicitly state? No, of course it isn't. The only question is how much larger the number is. That is not assuming but extrapolating and is how statistics works. You know some bootcamp grads that got jobs. Great. That isn't in dispute though. Perhaps some bootcamp grads getting jobs is what led to the "will not hire…
There's no evidence for an industry trend here, just people letting their personal biases get the better of them (all around).
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So you think it's likely the number of "will not hire fresh from bootcamps" is limited to the 5 which explicitly state? No, of course it isn't. The only question is how much larger the number is. That is not assuming but extrapolating and is how statistics works. You know some bootcamp grads that got jobs. Great. That isn't in dispute though. Perhaps some bootcamp grads getting jobs is what led to the "will not hire…
And some companies hire bootcamp grads and only want to hire more. There's no evidence for an industry trend here, just people letting their personal biases get the better of them (all around).
I'm just saying the number who will not is likely larger than the number who state they will not.
As someone who went to a boot camp, this doesn't surprise me at all. I don't think it's worth it for most people. BUT, I don't see them going away entirely. I'm thrilled with the boot camp I went to, and would do it all over again. Hear me out... > Are Coding Boot Camps Worth It? - If the first time you're touching code is at a boot camp, it's not worth it. By the time I had started a boot camp, I had been reading bo…
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One of the great things about online coursework is that it requires less staff and everyone can work at a different pace. From what I've read/heard 42 Code School has very little staff and mostly relies on computer courses and peer learning. https://www.42.us.org/
At that point, how is that a boot camp and not a paid tutorial? Why would anyone pay for online course work when there is so much available for free from places like MIT and Stanford? I paid for a boot camp to have access to an instructor with industry experience. Not to learn language syntax and build projects.
I think the main advantage there is the peer to peer learning and long hours. There's group projects. Yes, your coursework is all on the computer, but you are there morning to night surrounded by people doing the same thing, so you help each other out. That also ends up being a great network later on, which is one of the best things people normally get from college. They also have some special industry guests. Even Paul Graham was praising it. https://twitter.com/paulg/status/847844863727087616?lang=en
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One of the great things about online coursework is that it requires less staff and everyone can work at a different pace. From what I've read/heard 42 Code School has very little staff and mostly relies on computer courses and peer learning. https://www.42.us.org/
Any data on the outcome? Would be great to know how effective their model is.
42 is free to attend though so if you're talking how they fare as a business, it's funded by a billionaire.
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>>They just heard that computer programming was good money, and they enrolled. I think this is the biggest possible problem with them. I've known a few people who've gone through it and done well. The different between them and others is that they want to be programmers. The 12 week course didn't teach them everything, but it taught them enough to go and figure out what questions to ask and search for. Those people w…
Many students don't understand why they go into their chosen fields at first. They say it is "passion for---" when really, it just seems like a stable, responsible profession that their parents approve of. Along the way, hopefully, with the help of fantastic teachers, a true love of the subject emerges, deeper interests within it are explored and uncovered, and a great doctor or lawyer is made. (My own PCP and anothe…
However the idea that "a true love of the subject emerges", "the help of fantastic teachers".. I don't think I've ever met anyone who had that path to excellence AFTER entering a field, find it difficult to imagine, and I've always disliked the uncritical use of "passion for x stable, responsible profession that their parents approve of". But I might be weird and blinded and I'm going to try to notice if such people exist. It probably doesn't help that most of these professions are made of people that have never done anything else.
"While coding boot camps had many course listings on JavaScript, Ruby, and web development, they had none that covered product management, wireframing, cloud computing, DevOps, or Agile methodologies" I have a 4 year computer science degree and I didn't learn any of the listed topics either, so I'm not sure if the article is implying that other institutions do prepare new grads for these topics. The main advantage I…
IT Operations have always been a apprenticeship system where you progress from servicedesk towards manager as your career progresses, and project management, cloud computing, devops etc is operations not development skillsets. An in a lot of ways the current problem is that outsourcing have killed the pipeline from college drop-out to sys-admin by way of the call center. as the call centre have now been outsourced to…
"While coding boot camps had many course listings on JavaScript, Ruby, and web development, they had none that covered product management, wireframing, cloud computing, DevOps, or Agile methodologies" I have a 4 year computer science degree and I didn't learn any of the listed topics either, so I'm not sure if the article is implying that other institutions do prepare new grads for these topics. The main advantage I…
Really? I graduated this year from a state school with a degree in CS and we covered a lot of this stuff. Software Engineering was a required junior/senior level course where we had a semester-long group project where we had to self-organize using Agile methods, and we were grade on our user stories and . I took a senior-level elective course on product management, and we covered cloud and warehouse computing in comp…
SDLC is one of those things that every company seems to do a bit differently. Even if you are the GOD of SCRUM THEORY AND PRACTICE, most likely you'll wind up on a team that is kinda vaguely following scrum. Or more likely they've got a fish-ladder process with lots of little waterfalls that they call agile. Good luck effecting change, especially if you're straight outa school.
At best Agile methods provide an epistemology for project planning and estimation. At worst, it's a bunch of behaviors to mimic and terms to incant to justify bad or lacking processes.
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Ditto on the CS Degree. Closest thing I learned to the above skills that was part of the curriculum was Waterfall, UML, and making ERDs. Had to teach myself git.
You joking right? I got my cs degree 15 years ago and back then i learned Waterfall, UML, and making ERDs...