I count 5, and at least two of those are quite clear about looking to fill a senior position. The other 3 are companies that have a bit of a reputation and I wouldn't even consider working at anyway.
> The other 3 are companies that have a bit of a reputation and I wouldn't even consider working at anyway. How is that relevant in this context? Regardless of company it's obviously a trend to refuse bootcamp graduates.
3 out of 923 comments is a trend now?
I think you need to reevaluate what you consider obvious/significant.
I think that bootcamps actually can work well for people who already have highly honed analytical and logical reasoning skills, but for whatever reason haven't gotten involved in programming. For instance, a linguistics or philosophy major, or maybe a pure math major, who hasn't done any programming. For example, in a math class on graph theory, we essentially did DFS and BFS, but through proof, not through code. I t…
> a linguistics or philosophy major, or maybe a pure math major
Of the successful boot camp grads I've worked with, they came from wildly diverse educational backgrounds. Creative writing major, classical musician, public relations, lawyer...
"While coding boot camps had many course listings on JavaScript, Ruby, and web development, they had none that covered product management, wireframing, cloud computing, DevOps, or Agile methodologies" I have a 4 year computer science degree and I didn't learn any of the listed topics either, so I'm not sure if the article is implying that other institutions do prepare new grads for these topics. The main advantage I…
What they do in bootcamps is really good, a lot better than what they do in college. But the problem is what they charge and what they promise! Most people join bootcamps because they either want to pivot or they want a better job and that comes with a huge cost in everyone's life. If people join bootcamps purely for educational purposes then bootcamps are perfect, but people join there to up themselves. Bootcamps ch…
I think all paid education as we know it fails to well-defined free MooCs. It's just a matter of credibility and the lack of Georgia Tech-level free MooCs at this point
Why do people think a 12 week course will make a non-technical person ready for a junior developer role? Most developers I know have years of deep experience with computers before becoming professional programmers. (Things like fixing driver issues, installing linux, patching games etc). I have several friends who went to bootcamps had no deep technical interest beforehand. They just heard that computer programming w…
> To me, the ideal bootcamp student would be the person who dabbles with programming or programming-tangential technologies on the side, but just needs that little extra boost.
my theory is that bootcamps exist for these people and take advantage of everyone else in order to stay afloat. now the "everyone else" is realizing what happened and the market is collapsing.
These bootcamps are too basic for starters. They never take you beyond the basics. Secondly, the industry has changed. You need to know more things than you did previously. Even computer science grads aren't necessarily "ready" for the workforce. Education is behind in general instead of ingrained into the community with which it wishes to operate. They are always lagging behind or even way behind. On some level I fe…
We are way past a time of loyalty amongst employees. Not worth a company's time and money to do this for someone that may / may not be around after. And locking someone in because of it just leaves a bad taste in the employees mouth.
I'm curious about this idea. I'm wondering why companies can't invest in employees and why the burden of everything is on the employee to come through the door fully prepared and exactly what a company needs right out of the tin. Often, a previous novice had the role and gradually developed the role and themselves. Then, the company wants to hire some new person at the same salary as the person who left the role with all the developed skill of the previous person. I'm wondering why companies don't do a deal with employees : "we will help you develop skill for free at this job while you get paid, and in return you will work here in some capacity at x salary for x number of years to pay that off. if you leave early, you owe us money" Now, certainly, the employee could really stink and the company could want to fire them, but I think that would be an exception since the employee would have all the positive AND negative motivation to successfully fulfill their contract. This might help solve this pesky student debt problem we have as well.
I'm glad they're going away. > While coding boot camps had many course listings on JavaScript, Ruby, and web development, they had none that covered product management, wireframing, cloud computing, DevOps, or Agile methodologies. In other words, they don’t teach students the other important entrepreneurial tech skills. This makes sense seeing how their focus is coding. But as I stated in my last article, many recrui…
> When there's no difference between cramming for your History 101 mid-term and a technical interview for a software developer, we're not in a good spot.
Your "1 million strings" example is exactly the kind of thing that can be memorized, and is actually a quite common class of interview questions in certain segments of this industry. It's also only tangentially related to engineering. If I may, I'd draw an analogy with engineering a satellite system: your "million strings" example is more like the act of selecting a bolt from a catalog that fits the spec than it is engineering the spec in the first place.
I count 5, and at least two of those are quite clear about looking to fill a senior position. The other 3 are companies that have a bit of a reputation and I wouldn't even consider working at anyway.
> The other 3 are companies that have a bit of a reputation and I wouldn't even consider working at anyway. How is that relevant in this context? Regardless of company it's obviously a trend to refuse bootcamp graduates.
To me, this is the same as "must have CS degree" It just says something about the company culture. If they think a CS degree automatically equals quality developers or Boot camp automatically equals unqualified, they're probably missing something in the big picture. But hey some people might actually want to work for companies like that? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think that bootcamps actually can work well for people who already have highly honed analytical and logical reasoning skills, but for whatever reason haven't gotten involved in programming. For instance, a linguistics or philosophy major, or maybe a pure math major, who hasn't done any programming. For example, in a math class on graph theory, we essentially did DFS and BFS, but through proof, not through code. I t…
> a linguistics or philosophy major, or maybe a pure math major Of the successful boot camp grads I've worked with, they came from wildly diverse educational backgrounds. Creative writing major, classical musician, public relations, lawyer...
Wow, they cost $26K!!?? For what they offer that seems like an outrageous amount -- and largely unaffordable for most of the target customer base. Since the for-profit education industry had rushed in, I assume they just went for their typical milk-the-student-loan-system scam
I paid less than a third of that. The good ones are either affordable or they make you pay % of salary once you are employed.
It's funny, until recently I thought boot camps were for people who already were working in a field who wanted to sharpen a particular skill in that field. At least, the few my work paid for some years back were essentially that. From the sounds of it though a lot of places are abusing these to create micro IIT Techs that hand out near worthless certificates.
> I thought boot camps were for people who already were working in a field who wanted to sharpen a particular skill in that field The name 'boot camp' doesn't really imply that they would be.