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Equifax Faces Multibillion-Dollar Lawsuit Over Hack

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Re: Equifax Faces Multibillion-Dollar Lawsuit Over Hack

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I'd love to see the $70B number pan out (though $500 per person is less than the damages, I think) -- Equifax is a $17B company, and would presumably stop existing if that happened. On the other hand, these things always settle out of court, and Equifax certainly won't settle the suit for more than they're worth. I said it elsewhere, but I think the right response is to opt out of the class, and sue for $1000 in smal…

This class action will likely be settled in the same way the Ticketmaster case was settled ... with a coupon book good for 2 free credit reports.

To be fair, class action suits aren't really about recovering damages for the class members. Or at least, not entirely. That's almost incidental. Rather, they're most often about leveraging a large class of injured parties--whose injuries are usually relatively minor on an individual basis--to force a change of behavior by adding up all of those small injuries.

The cost of pursuing each claim individually would usually be sufficiently high as to make pursuing a claim unviable. The behavior would remain uncorrected, and the injured parties would receive neither compensation nor the knowledge that the behavior has been altered or eliminated. Nobody wins in that situation.

And while it's almost inevitable that discussions about class action suits will involve complaints about the lawyers fees, that's not really fair. Mass tort litigation is complex and involves significant investments of time and resources on the part of the attorneys involved. Especially if they actually make it to trial. It might seem unfair at first glance, but it enables the class to access the legal system and justice where it otherwise would not. They may be imperfect, but they're a hell of a lot better than the alternative and have had a profound positive impact on our society.

Re: Equifax Faces Multibillion-Dollar Lawsuit Over Hack

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I'm not excited about this class action; If they win, the individual payout will be almost nothing ($10?). The lawyers are the only ones who will really "make out" with 10's of millions in fees. There is also a disproportionate effect in that a small portion of the 143 million affected will have a large impact, i.e., "identity theft" while most will be unaffected. I think a fund setup to help those who are directly a…

I don't really care where the money goes. I think that having one catastrophic event (huge lawsuits or fines leading to bankruptcy) for a corporate entity because of negligent security measures may lead other board rooms to move security measures up their priority list.

yes a case of "Pour encourjay lays ortras." as the late Terry Prachet puts it

Re: Equifax Faces Multibillion-Dollar Lawsuit Over Hack

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I have said for years this credit controlling triopoly needs to be shut down and replace with something less disgusting. Ever tried to fix a mistake they made in your credit report? You may as well be dealing with the Spanish Inquisition. There is no penalty for Cxx's who perpetuate inept security to make more money so security is always job #99. These folks seem to have cornered the market on ineptness. I doubt any lawsuit will make them do anything different.

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The super fucked up part is that it automatically signs you up for their "Credit protection" if you use their site to see if you were impacted. Doesn't ask if you'd like to, just says "Thanks for signing up, your year starts now!"

From my reading of ToS it also apparently waives your right to be a part of a class action lawsuit against Equifax...

Apparently now they're saying that only applies to the monitoring service, and not to the breach itself. It was on Consumerist (https://consumerist.com/2017/09/08/equifax-already-being-sue...).

Re: Equifax Faces Multibillion-Dollar Lawsuit Over Hack

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This class action will likely be settled in the same way the Ticketmaster case was settled ... with a coupon book good for 2 free credit reports.

Probably for good reason. $500 per class member is an insanely high damages estimate. 99.9% of people will suffer zero damages because their identities will not be stolen. Even the ones who do have their identities stolen will likely be made whole by the credit card companies. The real damages here are going to be to the banks and credit card companies that will have to absorb the costs of all the fraud. As to the Ti…

> Even the ones who do have their identities stolen will likely be made whole by the credit card companies.

No one will be paid for their time wasted over ID theft resulting from this breach. That's what "made whole" would mean to me.

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I'd appreciate advice from someone in the know about credit monitoring/repair services. There are so many and little credible information available about their capabilities and performance. If you have experience with this who do you recommend? I've been caught up in the DOD breech, this Equifax incident and a couple smaller ones. I'm not interested in pinching pennies here; I want good results.

IMHO - credit monitoring has limited utility. While it can help you identify issues more quickly, it's still after the fact. For that reason, I bought the family a Zander Insurance plan. If you get hacked, they handle the fix (including outreach to the credit bureaus) and cover your expenses. This year they also added some credit/identity monitoring features and wallet replacement. I've not yet had to use them, but the service makes a lot of sense to me.

https://www.zanderins.com/idtheft2

Re: Equifax Faces Multibillion-Dollar Lawsuit Over Hack

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ideal way to recompensate $500 or $1000 dollars is to sign up everyone for credit/id theft protection, for say, 5 years. I don't know where else they get their revenue from, but free credit protection will hurt them significantly in the long run.

I've heard that those credit monitoring plans are a joke, and provide very little value besides the simulation of "doing something."

They just tell you after the fact that a new credit line has been established. It's still on you as the consumer to go prove that it wasn't you and that you didn't open it...

And guess what, the same questions that they ask you to prove you are who you say you are, are the ones that have likely been stolen!

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