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Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

ainiriand wrote: post #16
patrickmay wrote: post #8

In an earlier post ( https://www.easydns.com/blog/2017/09/06/why-does-easydns-pro... ) supporting free expression, EasyDNS says that they will only refuse service to sites that advocate or encourage "physical violence or harm toward an identifiable minority." I have never been to the DailyStormer site, so I don't know if they meet that criteria. If they don't, EasyDNS, while well within their rights, is not living up…

Random page: https://web.archive.org/web/20170516210944/https://www.daily... Asking people to be beaten up.

Could you quote it? I see it remarking on people he expects to be beaten up, fantasising about people being beaten up (it seems, from two opposing factions at least), anticipating people begin beaten up with relish. But I didn't see any asking for people to be beaten up.

Standing back and hooting as someone else commits violent assault ain't right [understatement!], but it's far from calling those people to commit the assault. It doesn't read as incitement to me, 'just' applauding anticipated violence, deplorable as that is.

I'm really not sure text on a website should count as incitement any way (maybe if it's UGC with specific threats against particular people); but is that there even?

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by regularhackerer »

ainiriand wrote: post #16
patrickmay wrote: post #8

In an earlier post ( https://www.easydns.com/blog/2017/09/06/why-does-easydns-pro... ) supporting free expression, EasyDNS says that they will only refuse service to sites that advocate or encourage "physical violence or harm toward an identifiable minority." I have never been to the DailyStormer site, so I don't know if they meet that criteria. If they don't, EasyDNS, while well within their rights, is not living up…

Random page: https://web.archive.org/web/20170516210944/https://www.daily... Asking people to be beaten up.

I don't want to read whatever that is too closely but looks like some random blog post where some idiot claims 'antifa' or 'right wing protestors' located at some rally 'deserve to be beaten up'.

You may find there are other blogging platforms out there with actual requests for violence, often justified with a tagline 'Punch a nazi!'.

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by briholt »

Another cowardly "free speech but..." Either you support free speech (including Nazis or whatever today's boogeyman is) or you don't support free speech at all. Claiming you support free speech only when you like the speech is abjectly idiotic. When you start blocking people from using your service for their speech, it's time to stop calling yourself the "free speech registrar."

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by archagon »

bmelton wrote: post #3

Somewhat dichotomously, I agree with every position mark takes in the linked post, but at the same time, I'm quietly waiting to see where Daily Stormer ends up landing, so that I can start treating them as the 'real' bastions of free speech, and very likely start throwing them my business. It isn't because I'm sympathetic to the nazis in this scenario, but if you're trying to position yourself as "the free speech reg…

OK, but isn't it just as likely that you'll land on a registrar that is notorious for specifically hosting seedy stuff (perhaps even under the guise of free speech)? I wouldn't be comfortable giving my money to an organization like that, at all.

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by ceejayoz »

IronWolve wrote: post #35

With companies now coming up with exceptions to their free speech ideology, whats the technical solution? Seems the only place left for these unwanted groups, the dark web of tor. The thing that interests me is technical issues of a site nobody wants to host. Deny them DNS, Deny them DDOS protection, Deny them hosting, whats left?

> Deny them DNS, Deny them DDOS protection, Deny them hosting, whats left?

I mean, not being a neo-Nazi is an option...

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by TomatoTomato »

minikites wrote: post #9
bmelton wrote: post #3

Somewhat dichotomously, I agree with every position mark takes in the linked post, but at the same time, I'm quietly waiting to see where Daily Stormer ends up landing, so that I can start treating them as the 'real' bastions of free speech, and very likely start throwing them my business. It isn't because I'm sympathetic to the nazis in this scenario, but if you're trying to position yourself as "the free speech reg…

"Free speech" usually refers to government interference to speech, why should a business be required to make what they see as a bad business decision?

There's a big difference between the right to free speech and the principle of free speech.

Easydns has chosen to follow the Non-aggression principle which is a limited free speech moral stance.

https://www.easydns.com/terms-of-service https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle

OP simply wants to support those who truly believe in free speech. Not one who, in OPs opinion, has simply crowned themselves as free speech champions until pressured.

https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aeasydns.com+free+spee...

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by mullen »

bmelton wrote: post #3

Somewhat dichotomously, I agree with every position mark takes in the linked post, but at the same time, I'm quietly waiting to see where Daily Stormer ends up landing, so that I can start treating them as the 'real' bastions of free speech, and very likely start throwing them my business. It isn't because I'm sympathetic to the nazis in this scenario, but if you're trying to position yourself as "the free speech reg…

> Somewhat dichotomously, I agree with every position mark takes in the linked post, but at the same time, I'm quietly waiting to see where Daily Stormer ends up landing, so that I can start treating them as the 'real' bastions of free speech, and very likely start throwing them my business.

Please tell us what your business is and we'll be happy to boycott it too.

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by [deleted] »

minikites wrote: post #27
mayank wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP is saying they want to support a private business that voluntarily shares the government's mandate on free speech, even when they are not required to.

I'm saying it's a somewhat nonsensical viewpoint, imagine substituting another governmental protection. Do you support businesses that oppose quartering soldiers in the homes of citizens? "Free speech" applies to the rights granted/enforced/protected by government and businesses are operating on a different level than that.

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Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by archagon »

briholt wrote: post #43

Another cowardly "free speech but..." Either you support free speech (including Nazis or whatever today's boogeyman is) or you don't support free speech at all. Claiming you support free speech only when you like the speech is abjectly idiotic. When you start blocking people from using your service for their speech, it's time to stop calling yourself the "free speech registrar."

Why does it have to be either/or? Society does not operate by strictly logical principles. I see no problem with "mostly free speech, except for extremists".
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