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Re: Google Developer Account Wrongly Terminated NO MEANS OF DISCOURSE

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Post by xbmcuser »

quuquuquu wrote: post #7
hirundo wrote: post #3

If you succeed in getting your account back you will only deepen your dependence on this silent, unaccountable leviathan. Do yourself the favor of learning from this experience. Walk away from Google services and count your loss as cheap tuition. Bend your path toward free and open systems instead. Where you can't find them, develop them.

While I generally agree with your statement, we all rely on each other's software to some degree, as it isn't possible for everyone to custom build everything that isnt yet open source. There should be some impetus for the largest and most profitable corporations to not be /egregiously/ evil.

They are not being evil they are just using automation to cut costs that ai in reality is not 100% ready yet. Now for google AI works 99.99% is okay but for the developer or user that falls in the 0.01% it destroys them. People are facing similar problems with Amazon, credit card companies and banks etc where automation helps bring down cost for the corporations but causing problems for 0.01% which is sadly an accpetable cost to corporations.

Re: Google Developer Account Wrongly Terminated NO MEANS OF DISCOURSE

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Post by jraby3 »

In most states, setting up a sole proprietorship is simple and costs a one time fee of $100. You get to name it (it's called a DBA - doing business as).

Get one under a company name and open a bank account with a debit card.

I realize it's not ideal but it's a simple workaround that is relatively painless and quick.

Re: Google Developer Account Wrongly Terminated NO MEANS OF DISCOURSE

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Post by knicholes »

mattshoe81 wrote: post #5
smt88 wrote: post #2

> I may be banned from doing something I love for the rest of my life (not to mention having no apps to add to my portfolio) 1. You can continue writing Android apps. You can (very likely) start distributing apps through the Play Store again just by creating a new account with a new credit card. Create an account as a company instead of an individual, for example. 2. Unless you're very old, distributing apps through…

I've actually been looking into creating an LLC for this same purpose. But I am still a student, so time is precious (and money, which I assume it would require). But thank you for your response! You are right, of course, that I won't be doing it for the rest of my life. Nevertheless it is frustrating!

I think registering an LLC in Utah cost me ~$45.

Re: Google Developer Account Wrongly Terminated NO MEANS OF DISCOURSE

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Post by oceanswave »

zeep wrote: post #14
chrisweekly wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Native apps will be replaced by web apps on mobile, just like they were on desktop." Provocative. I might agree with you.

Google and Apple appears to be trying to avoid it but I hope that they fail.

Google is pushing PWAs pretty hard and WebKit recently started working on service workers so it's closer than we probably realize

Re: Google Developer Account Wrongly Terminated NO MEANS OF DISCOURSE

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Post by p3a2u1l0 »

Good luck, Google has a terrible customer service which is why I do not use their cloud offering nor do I recommend it to my clients. They terminated my adword account a few years ago for alleged click fraud (I never clicked on a single ad) while they were owing me money, I have never been able to get a hold of a real person to plead my case. They don't do customer relations, unless you are a big player then you get assigned a google rep, but for the rest of us? NADA. I had plenty of issues with other services, including Microsoft and I always managed to get a real person answer me, with Google? zip.

So don't depend on them for anything, you don't need a google account to distribute your android app.

Re: Google Developer Account Wrongly Terminated NO MEANS OF DISCOURSE

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Post by albinofrenchy »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #27
edimaudo wrote: post #4

Find someone that works on the gmail team using linkedin and get on twitter and spread the word about your issue.

From what I've seen, the only real way these things tend to get reversed is if a Android fan blog that Googlers actively follow posts it publicly. If it's costing them press, and it's on a medium they consume, it'll make it to the right desk. Most of these sorts of stories that Android Police writes about seem to get resolved pretty quick.

I suspect that is why they posted this here to be honest... currious if it works

Re: Google Developer Account Wrongly Terminated NO MEANS OF DISCOURSE

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Post by ajmurmann »

mattshoe81 wrote: post #5
smt88 wrote: post #2

> I may be banned from doing something I love for the rest of my life (not to mention having no apps to add to my portfolio) 1. You can continue writing Android apps. You can (very likely) start distributing apps through the Play Store again just by creating a new account with a new credit card. Create an account as a company instead of an individual, for example. 2. Unless you're very old, distributing apps through…

I've actually been looking into creating an LLC for this same purpose. But I am still a student, so time is precious (and money, which I assume it would require). But thank you for your response! You are right, of course, that I won't be doing it for the rest of my life. Nevertheless it is frustrating!

Starting a LLC should cost ~$200. Maybe the person who got you into this situation might pay that?

Re: Google Developer Account Wrongly Terminated NO MEANS OF DISCOURSE

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Post by p3a2u1l0 »

droopyEyelids wrote: post #26

Absentee Ownership. It used to refer to a business that was owned by someone who wasn't involved in the day to day operations. But the same class of problems apply to an enormous monopolistic enterprise like Google, where the owner can't pay attention to it's operation in the same way as a traditional business could. So instead of knowing it's customers, Google does it's best, and accepts a certain 'defect rate.' Tho…

> But it's not really reasonable to expect a person at google to understand & fix everything Google does.

Google is the only business I have ever worked with which has virtually no customer service or no way to resolve a conflict when they decide to boot you out. Even a behemoth like Microsoft does customer service better. Google doesn't do that, it doesn't even understand what it is for apparently. It's exactly for unusual cases like these. They have the money to hire people, they have billions, they're just don't see the point. Well when it turns out people using their cloud services can't get a hold of a real person in when there is a problem and decide to migrate somewhere else they shouldn't be surprised they failed.

Re: Google Developer Account Wrongly Terminated NO MEANS OF DISCOURSE

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Post by ac29 »

wai1234 wrote: post #11
quuquuquu wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I generally agree with your statement, we all rely on each other's software to some degree, as it isn't possible for everyone to custom build everything that isnt yet open source. There should be some impetus for the largest and most profitable corporations to not be /egregiously/ evil.

Google makes its money on search+adwords. Everything else they do is a hobby, and it shows. Not necessarily evil, but sloppy produces the same bad result.

Google makes single-digit billions in revenue from the Android App Store. While not explicitly broken out, the info is in their annual report [0], where "other revenues" are a bit over 10B USD (>10% of total revenue):

"Google other revenues consist primarily of revenues and sales from:

• Apps, in-app purchases, and digital content in the Google Play store;

• Hardware;

• Licensing-related revenue; and

• Service fees received for our Google Cloud offerings."

As an aside, the risks section is surprisingly interesting and honest. A recommended read.

[0] https://abc.xyz/investor/pdf/2016_google_annual_report.pdf

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