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Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by pavel_lishin »

kuschku wrote: post #233
pavel_lishin wrote: post #231

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> None of the features you mention are useful for actually communicating and getting work done. I respectfully disagree. It's incredibly helpful to be able to video/voice call a coworker instead of typing back and forth. It's also incredibly helpful to be able to quickly past a screenshot of an issue you're seeing, or to paste a quick snippet of code, or log, with nice formatting. Yes, I could use my phone or another…

And that is why I and many others are working on adding exactly that into today's IRC clients. Why I'm working on copy-paste of images and long text for quassel. Why people are working on WebRTC via IRC. All this is coming.

> All this is coming.

And when it gets here, then IRCCloud and Quassel would be a good answer to my original comment. But now, those clients don't provide those features, while Slack does.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by cobbzilla »

Retric wrote: post #101
erikb wrote: post #48

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A common discussion I have with other developers. For a developer I'd say I'm a little more people minded than average, and a lot more big picture success oriented. And in both regards your personal productivity doesn't really matter. The biggest problem in software development is actually not per-coder-performance but that the right things get solved, and that the solution are actually good and quickly finished. Thi…

That's still small picture thinking. Dropping efficiency by 50% is the equivalent of spending 4+ hours in a meeting every day. If your team needs that kind of overhead then something massive is broken and a chat room is not going to fix it. As a general rule, on large teams informal communication is vastly less efficient than formal communication. A major goal should be avoiding having the same conversation repeatedl…

I wholly agree. If you measure efficiency by code production and feature/bugfix turnaround time, I guarantee you can lose a huge percentage of your efficiency very easily. How about a 15 second interruption every 10 minutes? The amount of useful work you got done that day might be well below 50% of an "undistracted" day.

The overhead of constant context switching has a high price. If this is happening on your team, no tool can fix it. You have to fix the culture, and that's much harder.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by bachmeier »

I wish companies would stop doing big release announcements followed by a signup that puts me on the waitlist. Let me try it out right now if you want to tell me about it. I'll get an email nine months down the road and probably just delete it because I won't even have thought about it after the announcement.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by dabernathy89 »

bananateam wrote: post #207
cialowicz wrote: post #178

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Open source projects can request free licenses from Atlassian. Here's the form: https://www.atlassian.com/software/views/open-source-license... Presumably, they'll add Stride to that form eventually.

yes, we will eventually.

that's really good news!

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by kuschku »

wlesieutre wrote: post #162
lghh wrote: post #67

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Not having to manage a server, better history searching, better ux for less technical users, better user metadata, voice and video calling, and lots of other things. I prefer IRC, but the benefits for a business should be pretty clear for anyone not extremely stuck on seeming like the cool IRC guy in the office.

Better multi-device support is huge . And history existing when you come back from not being connected. There are IRC solutions to this but IIRC it's something silly like a client that stays connected 24/7 to manage your user, then another client that connects to that client for your actual interface.

Yes, Quassel and IRCCloud are exactly such solutions.

But that always has to happen in such distributed systems, Matrix has the same – your home node actually connects to the Matrix network, and you connect to that.

Even on XMPP you end up running an XMPP server somewhere which connects via federation to the actual network, and your clients just connect to that server.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by briandear »

athenot wrote: post #169
vesak wrote: post #54

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> Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm looking forward to Matrix eating all of their lunches. There absolutely no reason to have competing standards in this space. A horrible duplication of effort.

I like the decentralized aspect of Matrix. But when I go to the home page, I'm greeted with this copy: Matrix needs you! We are facing a funding crisis. UPDATE: The situation has changed and our need is more urgent even than before. This doesn't send a very positive signal to larger companies considering this platform.

And when their selling point is about "open communication" being a human right. A bit over the top. Then all this crypto currency nonsense. If I showed this page to a manager at a company, they'd immediately be turned off by that. Why not just drop a stripe checkout form onto the page with "Donate?"

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by gremlinsinc »

morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

Curious do you work in-office, or remotely?

Being on a remote team, without slack we'd be a lot more disjointed without having chat.

We have some business folk who insist to chat through email, and it always ends in a very convoluted chain with 15 people in...and it's horrible....

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by dionian »

SomeHacker44 wrote: post #141

As the head of a company that uses HipChat... Thank you Atlassian. We have intended to migrate to the (free and better) Mattermost for a long time and just have been waiting for it to hit the top of our priority list. Knowing you are abandoning the terrible HipChat for an entirely new product, with no migration path and 50% more cost, makes this an easier choice. You have been abandoning us on JIRA and Confluence as…

HipChat is fine. Try using Cisco Spark.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by kuschku »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #241
kuschku wrote: post #233

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And that is why I and many others are working on adding exactly that into today's IRC clients. Why I'm working on copy-paste of images and long text for quassel. Why people are working on WebRTC via IRC. All this is coming.

> All this is coming. And when it gets here, then IRCCloud and Quassel would be a good answer to my original comment. But now, those clients don't provide those features, while Slack does .

I’m writing on these things right now. They’re going to be in Quassel at least before the end of the year, on desktop and mobile. In developer builds they’ll already be in in a few weeks or a month.

And almost all functionality already is there anyway, as said.

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