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Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by Retric » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 2:49 PM UTC

erikb wrote: post #48

morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

A common discussion I have with other developers. For a developer I'd say I'm a little more people minded than average, and a lot more big picture success oriented. And in both regards your personal productivity doesn't really matter. The biggest problem in software development is actually not per-coder-performance but that the right things get solved, and that the solution are actually good and quickly finished. Thi…

That's still small picture thinking. Dropping efficiency by 50% is the equivalent of spending 4+ hours in a meeting every day.

If your team needs that kind of overhead then something massive is broken and a chat room is not going to fix it.

As a general rule, on large teams informal communication is vastly less efficient than formal communication. A major goal should be avoiding having the same conversation repeatedly.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by kuschku » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 2:49 PM UTC

pavel_lishin wrote: post #94

bamboozled wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, there is little that Slack gives me IRC doesn't, a good client and I'm set.

> a good client What IRC client provides: - inline image uploads - multiline messages - chat search, including messages sent while your client is offline - pretty code formatting - pretty text formatting - file uploads - user management I know that IRC accomplishes something like 95% of what a team needs to communicate, but Slack absolutely shines at that last 5%. We currently use Hipchat, and it supports a lot of wh…

IRCCloud, Quassel.

All of that exists, and can be used.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by AckSyn » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 2:50 PM UTC

illamint wrote: post #21

Sad that this isn't available as an on-premises solution out of the gate. We're stuck using internally-hosted HipChat for compliance reasons and it is absolutely awful. The desktop and web clients have only gotten worse over time. This confirms my worst fears that HipChat is basically abandonware.

Why not stick to irc or xmpp for your in-house needs?

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by edgan » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 2:51 PM UTC

vesak wrote: post #54

morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

> Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm looking forward to Matrix eating all of their lunches. There absolutely no reason to have competing standards in this space. A horrible duplication of effort.

I tried Matrix. For me it clearly lost on usability.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by noxToken » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 2:52 PM UTC

program_whiz wrote: post #68

More examples of needless tool cloning. Rather than reinvent IRC of the 90s/00s, where is the real innovation from Silicon Valley and the tech world?

Sometimes tech isn't about innovation, discovery and breakthrough. Sometimes it's about integrating existing technology into the workflow of your customer base. Plenty of businesses big and small use the Atlassian product suite. This is a way for those businesses to have a chat client that is native to their suite.

Tech isn't always sexy. Sometimes tech is just good business sense.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by pavel_lishin » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 2:52 PM UTC

hobofan wrote: post #27

mmahemoff wrote: post #20

Hard to take it seriously when Hipchat came first and languished for so long. Even basic stuff like Emoji was a fail (their list included (arrington) and (derp)). Why launch a new Slack clone when you already have something so closely matching the architecture of Slack? I assume "technical debt" but that's rarely a good reason to start from scratch.

> Why launch a new Slack clone when you already have something so closely matching the architecture of Slack? A new possibility to build a brand and reputation? From what I can gather HipChat has a pretty "meh" reputation.

And a justified reputation at that, but between Hipchat, and Jira's frankly atrocious text formatting, I'm more afraid of Stride than looking forward to it. Hipchat may be crummy, but at least it's a familiar crummy that I've learned to work around.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by AckSyn » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 2:52 PM UTC

cpursley wrote: post #81

MaxLeiter wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most IRC clients

Can you recommend an IRC client that works for non-technical folks that also works with api and webhooks capabilities?

I would recommend this.

https://github.com/ircanywhere/ircanywhere

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by sschueller » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 2:53 PM UTC

abiox wrote: post #66

now we just need a chat app that bridges all the chat apps. (again)

http://rambox.pro/ Free, Open Source and Cross Platform

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by cyphar » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 2:53 PM UTC

Wait, what happened to HipChat? I get that it's not as sexy as Slack, but honestly they're all basically just IRC with images and some other integrations. Why start a whole new project (which presumably isn't XMPP under the hood).

From memory, Slack started out as a HipChat competitor. Not to mention, what is the on-premises story going to be (which was a major selling point of HipChat).

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by ComputerGuru » Thu, Sep 07, 2017, 2:54 PM UTC

cpursley wrote: post #56

My only question is, which Slack alternative does not use half my CPUs and suck down my battery just to run ideally in the background?

It’s not slack but electron.

We’ve been floating the idea of developing a native client for slack (we have experience in this field, having developed a Windows client for iMessage) but haven’t decided if it would be worth our while.