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Amazon to Build Second HQ in North America

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Re: Amazon to Build Second HQ in North America

#21
Excellent. I think we've gone too far in trying to put all the tech work in the spots where early tech companies happened to spring up.

In the long term, I'd like to see VCs not be so provincial in their investments, so that people can start companies where they are. But in the short term, having established companies put offices elsewhere is a great next step.

Re: Amazon to Build Second HQ in North America

#22
post #4

I actually hope this is a city where housing affordability is made more sustainable up front. Something to avoid the way New York and San Francisco have evolved into landlords and rent seekers drowning the wealth generation of incumbents

Manhattan has been expensive for a very long time in spite of growing housing significantly.

The challenge is that they can go to places where housing is cheap and there's a lot of capacity. Detroit, Las Vegas... But they'd probably still have trouble attracting a lot of tech workers to those areas. [ADDED: Although Michigan is better than people in the Web tech bubble think in this regard.]

Re: Amazon to Build Second HQ in North America

#23
post #11

Wow, $25.7 billion total employee compensation / 50,000 employees is $514,000 per employee. Err, that's not all in one year, right?

That's in the "Direct" section which has this footnote:

>From 2010 (when Amazon moved its headquarters to downtown Seattle) to 2017.

Re: Amazon to Build Second HQ in North America

#24
The RFP is rather more interesting than the marketing page:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/Anything...

The 2nd criterion is basically the total amount of sweet, sweet taxpayer dollars available to subsidize them:

Please provide a summary of total incentives offered for the Project by the state/province and local community. In this summary, please provide a brief description of the incentive item, the timing of incentive payment/realization, and a calculation of the incentive amount.

Re: Amazon to Build Second HQ in North America

#25
"A stable and business-friendly environment and tax structure will be high-priority considerations for the Project. Incentives offered by the state/province and local communities to offset initial capital outlay and ongoing operational costs will be significant factors in the decision-making process."

I'm no fan of high taxes, but holding this sort of reverse auction to see who will provide the biggest bungs rubs me the wrong way.

Re: Amazon to Build Second HQ in North America

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Why I wonder? While they're gobbling up DT Sea, they only have 1 building in Bellevue. Isn't there room to set up shop in Fremont or Kirkland and poach more engineers from Microsoft/Tableau/Expedia etc and reducing commute times? Not seeing the upside. This is a major management overhead, managing culture between both, all hands, IT infrastructure.

Austin, TX is a good candidate. Very strong engineering university attracting nationwide talent, better cost of living, they already have an office there so they must have some relationship w/ local govt, a good climate contrast to Seattle being much drier (barring the occasional hurricane), a Google Fiber city. $5B buys a lot more there than most places in the US.

Re: Amazon to Build Second HQ in North America

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post #12

> Why is Amazon choosing its second headquarters location via a public process? Because Foxconn got such an amazing deal and we want to get some of those sweet, sweet tax credits, too

Yup. "Amazon seeks a city to provide cushy tax credits in exchange for vague, unenforceable promises of job creation" would've been a more accurate headline.

Re: Amazon to Build Second HQ in North America

#29
post #10

Make it in Canada please.

Kitchener-Waterloo? edit: just thought it would be a suitable talent hub. Not sure why I'm getting downvoted. Maybe Toronto would be more suitable?

Wouldn't really make sense, an HQ would need to be in an actual city, not a sprawling suburban bedroom community. Toronto, Vancouver, Ottawa, Montreal.

Re: Amazon to Build Second HQ in North America

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post #6

Let's say I'm the mayor of Detroit, and I want this. What incentives are in my power to offer, if I team up with the Guv'nor? Can I just gift them the land?

cost of land is probably the least of amazon's considerations in building a second HQ edit: to elaborate, what they care much more about, i'm sure, is ability to attract and retain talent in the area. which I'm not sure detroit could do much about. even if you could make it more desirable to live there there's so little talent in the area you'd have to spend a crazy amount of time and money relocating people

Relocation is a relative drop in the hat if you can otherwise attract talent--potentially at a lower salary than the West Coast.
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