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Yes , but the young contenders already exist. If Nim gets more traction , over time it may replace Python.
Don't hold your breath. Nim doesn't have the kind of ecosystem, and hasn't shown signs of having one.
I'm certain that almost everyone dismissed it due to its syntax (there are still people out there that dismiss it because of that).
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But be sure to use Pip into this year's flavor of virtual environments rather than globally, since you might have multiple projects that need different versions of the same package. And be sure to run the right version, I've seen situations where a computer had python 2 and 3 installed, somehow python3 became the default when running "python" but if you ran "pip" you'd get dumped into the old version. And if your edi…
Honestly, virtualenv works. Every single time. I use virtualenvwrapper because I find it and the aliases it provides useful. I'll stop using virutalenv when it actually becomes a hindrance. I know venv exists, but I have precisely zero incentive to use it when virtualenv works and allows me to get on with what I actually want to do.
This is kinda discouraging :)
So I am happy to see that many of France's higher education establishments made the right move.
I know I shouldn't feel that way, but as a developer who loathes Python, this is a painful read. I start to feel that if I can't fight the trend then I should join it. But then every time I try Python, I feel such unease because of the low performance and the dynamic typing. It's just something I don't understand... this is really depressing to me.
As someone who has been using Python since 2000 roughly, another minor factor (besides the obvious data science factors) might also be the decline in Ruby. Ruby (and Rails) growth in the 2005-2010 era, seemed to noticeably put the brakes on Python's previous growth up till that point. Back then Ruby had all the boosterism/hype and Python was the supposedly "boring/legacy" option. Even now, Python's growth doesn't see…
I don't think hype is the main factor. Ruby's decline is due to its narrow focus on web development and Rails in particular. Whilst there certainly are gems covering other areas of computing Ruby never seemed to diversify the way Python has. With Node.js eating Ruby's lunch in the web development sphere Ruby is left looking like the single-commodity Venezuelan economy. Let me add that I think Rails is a fantastic pie…
I personally prefer using Ruby for testing & Selenium as well.
Python 2 advocates were quite firm in telling us that Python 3 and its incompatibility with Python 2 had killed Python and people would abandon Python altogether in droves for other languages. This post is suggesting the opposite, that Python is more healthy than ever and growing incredibly fast.
I haven't used python for a while though. Maybe they found a solution to the python 2/3 problem already.
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I don't really like virtualenv because you have to activate it to do anything and deactivate it if you want to go to another project or work on something unrelated. I'd much rather it work by the project directory so I don't have to worry about the activation part (this is why Node's package manager, for all its issues, is great: you install in a local folder unless you explicitly supply the -g flag). At least I shou…
Ah yes. Local by default would be nicer.
I know I shouldn't feel that way, but as a developer who loathes Python, this is a painful read. I start to feel that if I can't fight the trend then I should join it. But then every time I try Python, I feel such unease because of the low performance and the dynamic typing. It's just something I don't understand... this is really depressing to me.
You might find Nim[1] to be a worthy alternative. I primarily see it as a compiled Python with good performance and static typing. 1 - https://nim-lang.org
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I think you're right, the biggest pain for a general developer for Python is determining which package manager to use. I'm thankfully insulated from it a bit due to using Docker for a lot of my development, but I hate the fact that Pip won't install to your home/project directory unless you coax it to (and sometimes still won't even if you give it all the proper environment variables), and I think virtual environment…
I like python3 -m venv myfolder; source myfolder/bin/activate; It is the easiest way to use python3 because even fedora (one of the more bleeding edge) likely won't finish migrating 2 to 3 in current year. Why do you not like venv? What could be done better?
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Don't hold your breath. Nim doesn't have the kind of ecosystem, and hasn't shown signs of having one.
I'm curious what the ecosystem for Python looked like in ~1999. Did it show signs of having the ecosystem it has now in those years? I'm certain that almost everyone dismissed it due to its syntax (there are still people out there that dismiss it because of that).
Very small. The language was not popular and many people claimed a community project could not overtake languages backed by companies. Same for the Linux kernel.