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U.S. House approves proposal to speed the deployment of self-driving cars

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Re: U.S. House approves proposal to speed the deployment of self-driving cars

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I doubt it. If my self driving Subaru causes an accident, I think Subaru will pay for the damages. And Subaru doesn't need to involve an insurance company in that transaction.

Why do you think that?

Well, I certainly can't be responsible for bugs in the Subaru SDC software. So who else would be?

Re: U.S. House approves proposal to speed the deployment of self-driving cars

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Yes. You're missing that the current cap is 0. To elaborate: "Current federal rules bar self-driving cars without human controls on U.S. roads. States have issued a variety of different rules in the absence of clear federal guidance, and automakers have complained that California’s rules are too restrictive."

25k is less than 1% of most major auto manufacturers yearly production numbers. No article I've read on this news has put that into context and instead praises the legislation as liberating car manufacturers to bring FSD cars to the masses. Most people don't read past the headline let alone look into the facts of the article. Also nothing good EVER gets passed legislation unanimously. Last time the House passed legis…

My thoughts exactly. When I read that the vote was unanimous I instantly thought "oh oh, what did they sneak in there".

Re: U.S. House approves proposal to speed the deployment of self-driving cars

#33

> Advocates hope self-driving cars can help reduce U.S. road deaths, which rose 7.7 percent in 2015, the highest annual jump since 1966. This was a news story in itself [1]. It was attributed to increased driving, encouraged by economic factors such as higher employment and lower gas prices. [1] http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/02/18/467230965/...

I wonder what fraction involved smartphones?

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/16/business/tech-distract...

Re: U.S. House approves proposal to speed the deployment of self-driving cars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. You're missing that the current cap is 0. To elaborate: "Current federal rules bar self-driving cars without human controls on U.S. roads. States have issued a variety of different rules in the absence of clear federal guidance, and automakers have complained that California’s rules are too restrictive."

25k is less than 1% of most major auto manufacturers yearly production numbers. No article I've read on this news has put that into context and instead praises the legislation as liberating car manufacturers to bring FSD cars to the masses. Most people don't read past the headline let alone look into the facts of the article. Also nothing good EVER gets passed legislation unanimously. Last time the House passed legis…

Given that this is from a base of zero, and the cap is set to rise by 4x to 100k by 2020 (which is when Waymo plans to start introducing driverless cars), I do not think that this is at all a slow pace.

Re: U.S. House approves proposal to speed the deployment of self-driving cars

#36

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Why do you think that?

Well, I certainly can't be responsible for bugs in the Subaru SDC software. So who else would be?

I have no idea what Subaru's reaction would be, but in general you can certainly be held responsible if you allow a bug in self-driving software to cause an accident.

The manufacturer simply has to state that while the software is in control and you are sitting idle, you must continue to pay attention and re-take control if anything goes awry.

In the event of an accident, the manufacturer can then state that the accident would not have occurred if the driver had maintained control as the T&Cs demanded and wash their hands of responsibility in some PR friendly way.

Re: U.S. House approves proposal to speed the deployment of self-driving cars

#37

> Advocates hope self-driving cars can help reduce U.S. road deaths, which rose 7.7 percent in 2015, the highest annual jump since 1966. This was a news story in itself [1]. It was attributed to increased driving, encouraged by economic factors such as higher employment and lower gas prices. [1] http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/02/18/467230965/...

Which is fitting that nobody says how many deaths will result from starvation that results by being fired from UPS and FedEx

Re: U.S. House approves proposal to speed the deployment of self-driving cars

#38

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Why do you think that?

Well, I certainly can't be responsible for bugs in the Subaru SDC software. So who else would be?

Don't worry, you'll sign a piece of paperwork that says you are solely responsible for the operation of the vehicle when you take ownership of it. You'll also sign a place where you also agree to mandatory arbitration.

Re: U.S. House approves proposal to speed the deployment of self-driving cars

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I certainly can't be responsible for bugs in the Subaru SDC software. So who else would be?

I have no idea what Subaru's reaction would be, but in general you can certainly be held responsible if you allow a bug in self-driving software to cause an accident. The manufacturer simply has to state that while the software is in control and you are sitting idle, you must continue to pay attention and re-take control if anything goes awry. In the event of an accident, the manufacturer can then state that the acci…

>if the driver had maintained control

Then it is not a self-driving car. There's definitely a point where cars will be nominally just assistive driving under some set of circumstances but people won't pay attention because they normally don't need to.

This is one of the things that will need to be worked out as the tech gets better over time. Liability is a big deal. If the car is billed as fully self-driving, the driver really can't be held responsible (both criminally and civilly) if their car runs over someone. (And it will.)

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