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Looking at the people who belong to this organization, I get the feeling that the majority of the JavaEE development was outsourced to India.
Sorry, I don't understand your point. Are you trying to say, JavaEE is bad, or outsourcing to India is bad, or the code quality is bad?
I don't see "bad" mentioned anywhere
What really frustrates me about how (I assume Oracle) handled this transition away from java.net is that all the issue links just lead to the same "java.net is closed" page, they didn't bother to redirect them to the github issues pages (the issue IDs are the same from what I've seen). I run into this issue often enough that I've been tempted to write a userscript to translate the java.net links automatically... does…
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You're mistaking Microsoft's purely reactive strategy to something like real planning and commitment to open source. MSFT has been pushing into that area (sort of) recently because they kept getting their lunch stolen by all of the open source technologies out there. Do you think it was anything but the most incredible terror and desperation that drove them to add a Linux subsystem to Windows? To open source their "c…
It's funny how software developers have no problem whatsoever dealing with complexity, except when it comes to corporate behaviour, when they are unable to conceive of a company as anything other than a single, gestalt entity, with a single opinion and purpose, whose actions are driven by the most basic emotions and can be classified as good or evil with absolutely no grey-area. In the real world, companies are made…
Seems like quite a straw man argument, there probably isn't a single person that actually fits your description. And it certainly does not describe a typical developer.
As infamously documented in "The Windows Shutdown Crapfest" [1], in order for anything to be publicly observed outside of most large bureaucracies, a large number of people are involved, and their only common interest comes from very high up in the bureaucracy. So you usually do end up with a single, simple ideology presented to the public, even though there are a lot of people internally fighting for different things.
[1] http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/2006/11/windows-shutdown-c...
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And they will be worked on for at least the next decade. Meanwhile .NET had them for 16 years now.
Meanwhile .NET is only fully usable in Windows for many types of applications, because .NET Core and Mono don't support all the platforms that Java does and .NET Standard 2.0 does not yet cover APIs like WPF, Systems.Drawing, WCF, ADO.NET drivers for all relevant enterprise databases. So it is not like everything is better on the other side. Note that I do enjoy using both of them since their early versions.
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You're mistaking Microsoft's purely reactive strategy to something like real planning and commitment to open source. MSFT has been pushing into that area (sort of) recently because they kept getting their lunch stolen by all of the open source technologies out there. Do you think it was anything but the most incredible terror and desperation that drove them to add a Linux subsystem to Windows? To open source their "c…
It's funny how software developers have no problem whatsoever dealing with complexity, except when it comes to corporate behaviour, when they are unable to conceive of a company as anything other than a single, gestalt entity, with a single opinion and purpose, whose actions are driven by the most basic emotions and can be classified as good or evil with absolutely no grey-area. In the real world, companies are made…
If you're not already familiar with the "Halloween Documents" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents) then you should take a look. They were pretty much the definition of "fearful and reactive".
Microsoft has historically had an ideological investment in killing everything that wasn't Windows.
Microsoft has been roused in this fashion 3 times before that I can think of.
1. The internet. If you don't remember, MSFT completely misjudged the importance of the internet. A heroic effort by Bill Gates turned the company around and got them on track to seize control of the web (until Google drove them back).
2. Java. It was so successful that MSFT had to create a nearly identical tech stack that they controlled, after Sun beat them in court.
3. Linux. Open source, well supported, loved by tech people, runs on almost every conceivable hardware platform. It's been a herculean effort just to fight for market share. If it weren't for lock-in, MSFT would have gone the way of Solaris and HP-UX.
Now open source is the only way to try to get back that developer mind share that they've been losing for so long. This is a good thing in the long run, but to couch it as anything but "fearful and reactive" is to discount a lot of history.
As someone confused what this was about, it seems: >Oracle said this week it plans to transfer management of the Java EE project to an open-source foundation, such as Apache or Eclipse. (Aug 19) https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/oracle-want...
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Sorry, I don't understand your point. Are you trying to say, JavaEE is bad, or outsourcing to India is bad, or the code quality is bad?
> Looking at the people who belong to this organization, I get the feeling that the majority of the JavaEE development was outsourced to India. I don't see "bad" mentioned anywhere
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As someone confused what this was about, it seems: >Oracle said this week it plans to transfer management of the Java EE project to an open-source foundation, such as Apache or Eclipse. (Aug 19) https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/oracle-want...
So Oracle fired off almost all the rest of the Solaris engineers, they are moving Java out of house, what's left from the original Sun purchase? SPARC? I see they still sell SPARC servers, but without confirmation from someone that they've somehow kept competitive with Intel (which they were having problems doing over a decade ago), I'm wondering if this is just a cash grab from people that don't know what they're ge…