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Bank of Canada increases overnight rate target to 1 per cent

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Re: Bank of Canada increases overnight rate target to 1 per cent

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post #24

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More like TP, antiobiotics, guns and ammunition.

If TP made it to the top of your list of useful things in a societal meltdown, you need to spend a bit more time roughing it.

I assumed at first that he meant target practice...

Re: Bank of Canada increases overnight rate target to 1 per cent

#102
post #81

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Canada's consumer price index hasn't exceeded 4% since 1990 and has averaged 1.74% since then. So investors who are buying those bonds could reasonably see things differently than you do.

I don't get how that could possibly be true, given that the CAD has depreciated something like 30% in the past few years vs USD?

Not everything bought in Canada is traded internationally and denominated in USD.

Re: Bank of Canada increases overnight rate target to 1 per cent

#103
post #9

For those not following Canada's economy. Two weeks ago no one was sure if they'd hike the rate again, and no one thought they'd do it so quickly (though it seemed likely they'd do it ~oct/nov). But, Canada posted exceptionally strong growth numbers (4.5%) at the end of August, which kind of made this very likely. Also, the government just sold bonds that mature in 2064 (at 2.2%) and has indicated that it might issue…

Why would any entity buy bonds that when matured will not have kept up remotely with inflation? Obviously I'm missing some key idea here, I just have no idea what it is.

If you assume markets price the bonds efficiently, then the price of the bond should contain what the market expects inflation will be over the duration of the bond at the time of the sale.

Re: Bank of Canada increases overnight rate target to 1 per cent

#104
post #51

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I believe the official stance of the bank of Canada is inflation is below target hence the low rates being acceptable for so long. What I don't understand (and I hope someone can shine some light on!) is the basket of goods they use to measure inflation doesn't seem to be very impacted by low interest rates - therefore how will the low rates increase inflation? i.e. banks will only lend to me at below 5% if I'm buyin…

Another thing I don't understand about the basket of goods approach to measuring consumer prices is how we're getting inflation figures which are so low. Since goods we buy priced in USD have gone up massively in 2-3 years due to a falling Canadian dollar (electronics, smartphones, computers, SaaS, etc.), the only way the basket stays at 2% YoY growth is if that's offset by other things falling in price. But, anecdot…

Wages haven't gone up, so while you may have shifted allocation of purchases within the CPI basket, your total spending is probably around the same as it was last year, and the year before that.

EG you buy more electronics and gas (cheaper), and less clothing and food (more expensive), but your overall spending remains ~50% of your income, which hasn't changed.

Wages are usually the primary driver of higher CPI measured inflation.

Inflation has occurred outside of CPI basket, most notably in equity markets and real estate prices in large urban cities - and bitcoin :)

Re: Bank of Canada increases overnight rate target to 1 per cent

#105
post #62

Informational note: The notion of fixed rate mortgages does not exist in Canada. You can lock in for about 5 years, but otherwise your mortgage rate floats with prime. If prime rates rise, borrowers can be on the hook for large amounts of defaults as incomes fail to keep up with higher payments. (canadian housing market exhibits higher sensitivity to interest rates)

What you're describing is a fixed rate mortgage with a 5 year term. We may not allow 40 year terms, but that doesn't mean we don't allow fixed rate mortgages. After the term is up you can renegotiate a new fixed rate term if you want, or move your mortgage. That said, fixed rate mortgages almost always cost you more in the long run, though a 5 year term is probably going to screw you less than a 25+ year term.

Oh my. We are arguing over semantics. In the US, a fixed rate mortgage typically has a term equal to its amortization schedule. I.E. your interest is fixed for 30 years. In Canada, there are things called "fixed rate mortgages" where the interest is fixed for the term of the mortgage, but I have never seen a term longer than 5 years (most are shorter). The mortgage is typically amortized over a period of no longer than 25 years. So, in Canada, you have to get a new mortgage every few years and you are at the mercy of interest rate changes.

Re: Bank of Canada increases overnight rate target to 1 per cent

#106
post #9

For those not following Canada's economy. Two weeks ago no one was sure if they'd hike the rate again, and no one thought they'd do it so quickly (though it seemed likely they'd do it ~oct/nov). But, Canada posted exceptionally strong growth numbers (4.5%) at the end of August, which kind of made this very likely. Also, the government just sold bonds that mature in 2064 (at 2.2%) and has indicated that it might issue…

“Money’s going to stop being cheap”

Okay, but at the same time yields on US government debt just reached their lowest point since last November. Due to various factors (North Korea, natural disasters, etc) the Federal Reserve is now talking about raising interest rates slower than they had originally planned, which was already pretty slow. The era of cheap money has to end eventually obviously, but it doesn’t seem like things are going to change all that fast.

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#107
post #88

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Banks are allowed to loan out the money, but they don't have to , and could take business from the negative-yielding government bonds by just leaving the money alone, in their electronic reserve account.

Then where is the bank supposed to keep their money? In another commercial bank? In cash? This creates an infinite regression problem... They could keep it in the Fed, but the Fed charges money for the privilege (and I assume so does the ECB and other equivalents)

Banks hold unloaned reserves already.

Re: Bank of Canada increases overnight rate target to 1 per cent

#108
post #107

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Then where is the bank supposed to keep their money? In another commercial bank? In cash? This creates an infinite regression problem... They could keep it in the Fed, but the Fed charges money for the privilege (and I assume so does the ECB and other equivalents)

Banks hold unloaned reserves already.

Hold them where? In cash?

Re: Bank of Canada increases overnight rate target to 1 per cent

#109
post #77

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In Canada, banks offer fixed and floating rate mortgages; the mortgage rate is always prime + some %. If you get a fixed-rate mortgage, you're locked in to your rate for 5 years regardless of how the Bank of Canada changes the prime rate. This has been the product of choice for Canadians for the last several years because it protects you against rising interest rates, and rates have had nowhere to go but up. If you g…

Yeah, but locking in a rate for 5 years is so different from locking it in for 30 that it seems kind of misleading to say "both places have fixed-rate mortgages." I'm actually a little unclear on the specifics here; is it that you have a balloon payment and the typical thing is to get another, smaller loan to pay that off?

Technically, yes, you are on the hook for a balloon payment. In practice, however, you would get a new mortgage for the remainder owing. You can, of course, be screwed in the event of rising interest rates or collapsing property values.

Unlike the US, there are hefty fees for early payoff of the mortgage, so if you were in the position to pay it off, you would probably want to wait until the end of the current mortgage (depending on lots of different factors, of course).

Re: Bank of Canada increases overnight rate target to 1 per cent

#110
post #43

The commonwealth countries are all facing a property bubble (Canada, New Zealand, Australia, etc). The household debt levels and property prices didn't taper off nearly as much following the 2008 US housing crisis and has pretty much continued unabated: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/stephen-punwasi/real-estate-bub... Which is fascinating to consider that the Bank of Canada, et al, have let this happen for so long and…

> But the side effect has been that retail banks were incentivized to hand out cheap mortgages and the public was incentivized to speculate on the 'hot' property market.

Any source for this?

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