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Re: Show HN: Key Values – Find engineering teams that share your values

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Post by humanrebar »

jxcl wrote: post #17
alrehn wrote: post #10

Not sure how much you can consider Work/Life balance a key value when you expect people to work 50 hour weeks ( https://www.keyvalues.io/kite ). Not to say that 50 hours is awful, there's certainly a lot worse out there, but I'd say it's enough to disqualify that as a 'key value'.

I agree that any company that asks for more than 40 hours should not be allowed to have the work/life balance key value. The profile says that the company eats dinner together and people go home at 8pm. That sounds pretty work centric and not much time for life left after that.

If everyone comes in at noon, that seems fine to me. It's not for everyone, but it's not overworking.

Re: Show HN: Key Values – Find engineering teams that share your values

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slavapestov wrote: post #106
alexryan wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Diversity is a smoke screen that sjws use to seize power for themselves and inflict their ideology on the organization with their codes of conduct with prohibitions against microaggressions and unconscious bias like they have at google. You're not fooling anyone anymore. The ideology is just marxism with the white male as the new villain instead of the bourgeoisie. If you genuinely cared about diversity, James Damore…

Ok, it looks like I triggered a snowflake here, and you've failed to address any of my points in a meaningful way, but I'll play along, hopefully for your own education, or at least, others who might be reading this thread. > Diversity is a smoke screen that sjws use to seize power for themselves and inflict their ideology on the organization with their codes of conduct with prohibitions against microaggressions and…

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Re: Show HN: Key Values – Find engineering teams that share your values

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Post by peternicky »

sanityUnbounded wrote: post #72
Jemaclus wrote: post #67

I would second the option to negate some of these "values." There are about eight that I don't consider to be "values", but just to pick one of them at random, I don't consider "has good beer" to be a value I look for in a company. In fact, I consider a focus on alcohol in the workplace to be a red flag and would like the ability to filter out a place like that. In my experience, workplaces with alcohol in them tend…

This isn't related to the website but I also share the same sentiment towards alcohol in the workplace. It is amazing how a beverage can change an employees outlook on a company. On the company side though, it's an easy/inexpensive way to build culture. People are strange.

It's also a way to isolate team members who don't drink. You may think it's an "easy" way to build a team and yes perhaps that does hold true for some groups but overall, this attitude that having pseudorandom happy hours (in my opinion) flawed and is opposite of the current PC movement in the industry.

Re: Show HN: Key Values – Find engineering teams that share your values

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Post by Jemaclus »

willsewell wrote: post #112
Jemaclus wrote: post #67

I would second the option to negate some of these "values." There are about eight that I don't consider to be "values", but just to pick one of them at random, I don't consider "has good beer" to be a value I look for in a company. In fact, I consider a focus on alcohol in the workplace to be a red flag and would like the ability to filter out a place like that. In my experience, workplaces with alcohol in them tend…

I think what is often missed with values, is the "anti values". Often when I see a list of company values, it looks as if they can have their cake and eat it too. They are not explicit about the trade offs being made; e.g. "more perks (e.g. beer), lower salary". I think if it's hard to find one of these opposing anti-values, then it's not really an interesting choice to make, i.e. at worst it's probably a nice to hav…

That's an excellent perspective that I hadn't thought of before. How would you go about doing that? More beer doesn't necessarily correlate to lower salaries -- you might be trading off inclusiveness or safe work environment instead. Or if you have a flat organization that doesn't necessarily mean you have fewer meetings or more autonomy. How do you correlate a value with its anti-value? Or do you just say "We value these things, but we explicitly don't value these things"?

Re: Show HN: Key Values – Find engineering teams that share your values

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Post by sctb »

alexryan wrote: post #102
slavapestov wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Personally, I would prefer to work exclusively with those who value meritocracy more because diversity proponents are very often believers in the ideology of perpetual victimhood. I think you're projecting. The only displays of victimhood I've seen in this context is from white males who (incorrectly) believe that an increased focus on diversity means they are somehow being discriminated against. If you create valu…

Diversity is a smoke screen that sjws use to seize power for themselves and inflict their ideology on the organization with their codes of conduct with prohibitions against microaggressions and unconscious bias like they have at google. You're not fooling anyone anymore. The ideology is just marxism with the white male as the new villain instead of the bourgeoisie. If you genuinely cared about diversity, James Damore…

> Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Show HN: Key Values – Find engineering teams that share your values

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Post by john117-theline »

badcodehere wrote: post #90
Jemaclus wrote: post #67

I would second the option to negate some of these "values." There are about eight that I don't consider to be "values", but just to pick one of them at random, I don't consider "has good beer" to be a value I look for in a company. In fact, I consider a focus on alcohol in the workplace to be a red flag and would like the ability to filter out a place like that. In my experience, workplaces with alcohol in them tend…

> Would anyone advertise a company that doesn't have a "High Quality Codebase"? I don't know about advertising (and this is a throwaway account) but when we interview candidates, we're clear that our code base has a lot of legacy code and the quality is a mixed bag. We're also clear that while most of our development team wants to improve it, it's a slow process and can only be done in ways that don't slow down featu…

You have technical debt. It, by definition, slows down feature development by its very existence. But only of code that touches it in some manner.

I understand the imporantance of balancing business needs with 'clean code' but I think you're setting yourself up for unexpected costs with the mindset that code can only be cleaned up if features can still be delivered at the same speed. Are you doing it by fixing in the natural lulls in development? Hiring more people? Or perhaps by going beyond a 9-5?

Re: Show HN: Key Values – Find engineering teams that share your values

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Post by john117-theline »

balladeer wrote: post #108
Jemaclus wrote: post #67

I would second the option to negate some of these "values." There are about eight that I don't consider to be "values", but just to pick one of them at random, I don't consider "has good beer" to be a value I look for in a company. In fact, I consider a focus on alcohol in the workplace to be a red flag and would like the ability to filter out a place like that. In my experience, workplaces with alcohol in them tend…

In fact things like - got beer, free food (it should be food is available, you can eat here or eat outside; I would rather want to get paid for that and have a choice), TT table, foosball etc are traps. I wish I could find a similar list (that can be trusted to some extent) for my country (India) and all I would be looking for is - work-life balance. I don't want to drink alcohol in office (if at all I am into alcoho…

To get me to play TT or foosball, they'd have to be in another location where no work is allowed to happen or even be discussed.

Bharatiya high five! I know exactly what you mean by the highest value being work-life balance. Please message me as well if you do find a place respectful to employees!

Re: Show HN: Key Values – Find engineering teams that share your values

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Post by john117-theline »

peternicky wrote: post #124
sanityUnbounded wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't related to the website but I also share the same sentiment towards alcohol in the workplace. It is amazing how a beverage can change an employees outlook on a company. On the company side though, it's an easy/inexpensive way to build culture. People are strange.

It's also a way to isolate team members who don't drink. You may think it's an "easy" way to build a team and yes perhaps that does hold true for some groups but overall, this attitude that having pseudorandom happy hours (in my opinion) flawed and is opposite of the current PC movement in the industry.

I wonder if it would be some consolation if they provided non-alcoholic tasty mocktails as well.
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