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FTC slaps Lenovo on the wrist for selling computers with secret adware

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Re: FTC slaps Lenovo on the wrist for selling computers with secret adware

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Headline should be: FT allows Lenovo to sell computers with secret hardware again, should they choose to. No one went in jail (try intercepting someone's Https connections) and no crippling fine. Just an agreement that requires consent...you can drive trucks through the loopholes. "Yes, I want to speed up my internet" is one and 90% would click yes /install.

s/hardware/adware/ - I was confused there for a second, but on second thought this could likely have been by autocorrect.

Re: FTC slaps Lenovo on the wrist for selling computers with secret adware

#42
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

During the peak of frothy VC investments, our hypothetical couch startup will have the money to hire ML and AI experts. 1) Sell the couch at a loss. 2) Acquire customer voice data. 3) Run it through ML/AI 4) ???? 5) Pivot the company.

You could have some inflatable cushions that can only be controlled by the cloud.

In app purchases for additional per-seat licences! HealthKit integration! Share the data with your health insurer! "Uh-oh, you exceeded your sitting quota by xx hours this month, so you've been charged a penalty fee of $xx. Don't forget – keep moving to keep saving!"

It's a world of opportunity...

Re: FTC slaps Lenovo on the wrist for selling computers with secret adware

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN: I don't like secret laws. Also HN: I don't like when they don't invent secret laws to punish people I'm mad at.

How is a law giving the ftc more power here a secret law?

Playing devil's advocate - the power we'd be granting is the power to apply fines when you broke rules you didn't know existed, because they are case-by-case determinations.

Re: FTC slaps Lenovo on the wrist for selling computers with secret adware

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN: I don't like secret laws. Also HN: I don't like when they don't invent secret laws to punish people I'm mad at.

How is a law giving the ftc more power here a secret law?

Did the law exist before Lenovo shipped the fish? Did Lenovo know about it?

Re: FTC slaps Lenovo on the wrist for selling computers with secret adware

#45
post #14

For people wondering why there was no hefty fine, it's probably because the FTC had no authority to impose one. Except with regard to children, the FTC isn't specifically empowered to protect "privacy rights." The FTC brought a complaint against Lenovo under Section 5 of the FTC Act, which addresses "unfair competition" and "unfair practices." Historically, that meant false advertising or other abusive practices set…

Fine, why wasn't another agency involved too then?

Re: FTC slaps Lenovo on the wrist for selling computers with secret adware

#46

Personally, they've lost my business. I used and loved Thinkpads for many years, but I no longer use them and now recommend against their purchase. Lenovo has a huge trust gap to repair.

Purism products look every day less of a luxury and more of a need.

https://puri.sm/products/librem-15/

Re: FTC slaps Lenovo on the wrist for selling computers with secret adware

#47

Personally, they've lost my business. I used and loved Thinkpads for many years, but I no longer use them and now recommend against their purchase. Lenovo has a huge trust gap to repair.

While I agree that Superfish was a disaster, keep in mind that it did not affect the ThinkPad line at all. From what I heard, the consumer and business lines have strong separation inside Lenovo. I have lost all trust in their consumer division, too. But it seems silly to me to discount ThinkPads based on the malware bundled with Lenovo's consumer offerings.

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Re: FTC slaps Lenovo on the wrist for selling computers with secret adware

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post #14

For people wondering why there was no hefty fine, it's probably because the FTC had no authority to impose one. Except with regard to children, the FTC isn't specifically empowered to protect "privacy rights." The FTC brought a complaint against Lenovo under Section 5 of the FTC Act, which addresses "unfair competition" and "unfair practices." Historically, that meant false advertising or other abusive practices set…

HN: I don't like secret laws. Also HN: I don't like when they don't invent secret laws to punish people I'm mad at.

So you are unhappy that an online community of people from around the world cannot form a hive mind consensus of thought? Count me as one that appreciates diversity of thought within a community. If it is an echo chamber you want I am sure there's plenty already elsewhere.

Re: FTC slaps Lenovo on the wrist for selling computers with secret adware

#49

With only a very small portion of the population able to both understand the implications of this type of tracking and how to circumnavigate it, I often wonder if there will eventually be a negative consequence akin to not establishing credit through purposely getting in debt. In 20 years, will you be blocked from opening certain accounts if the company can't find sufficient mined data on you?

Or entering a country. Oh, wait...

next: being blocked from leaving a country.

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