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FTC slaps Lenovo on the wrist for selling computers with secret adware

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Re: FTC slaps Lenovo on the wrist for selling computers with secret adware

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Don't give couch manufacturers any ideas! Couches need telemetry too.

During the peak of frothy VC investments, our hypothetical couch startup will have the money to hire ML and AI experts. 1) Sell the couch at a loss. 2) Acquire customer voice data. 3) Run it through ML/AI 4) ???? 5) Pivot the company.

You could have some inflatable cushions that can only be controlled by the cloud.

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Buying a windows laptop these days seems like putting your hand in an Alligator Gar filled bog (also see the other post about the Synaptics driver) And restoring from the OEM copy is no guarantee it will be clear of all the preinstalled crap

Your best bet is to buy a laptop from Microsoft (no 3rd party software) or buy an extra Windows license and do a fresh install.

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During the peak of frothy VC investments, our hypothetical couch startup will have the money to hire ML and AI experts. 1) Sell the couch at a loss. 2) Acquire customer voice data. 3) Run it through ML/AI 4) ???? 5) Pivot the company.

You could have some inflatable cushions that can only be controlled by the cloud.

It'll recognize your voice and automatically port your cushion preferences to other people's SmartCouches.

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Coming soon: Amazon Echo Sit

"We are revolutionizing home-based, ergonomic solutions. Relaxtion-as-a-service" Translation "We're selling an overpriced couch. The couch is manufactured by someone else. The microphone gives us your data. We're working on selling that to as many other people as we can."

Laxation-as-a-service.

Re: FTC slaps Lenovo on the wrist for selling computers with secret adware

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Agree with the other commenters here that requiring consent and asking for new hardware to be audited isn't really anywhere near enough of a punishment. I've read through the full settlement here: https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/cases/1523134_len... As far as I can tell they've just been ordered to do things they should've been doing already (security testing, asking for consent). Is anyone familiar enough…

Because the FTC has been almost completely declawed. Their powers to protect consumers have been gutted and the whole agency has been reduced to enforcing a few narrowly defined easily bypassed rules, with almost zero powers outside of that.

Re: FTC slaps Lenovo on the wrist for selling computers with secret adware

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Personally, they've lost my business. I used and loved Thinkpads for many years, but I no longer use them and now recommend against their purchase. Lenovo has a huge trust gap to repair.

What OS do you run and what machine would you suggest for it instead?

I run Arch on a Dell Precision, which works great for me.

Re: FTC slaps Lenovo on the wrist for selling computers with secret adware

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Buying a windows laptop these days seems like putting your hand in an Alligator Gar filled bog (also see the other post about the Synaptics driver) And restoring from the OEM copy is no guarantee it will be clear of all the preinstalled crap

I love, love love my Windows desktop (home built BEAST for gaming) but anytime I'm doing work, I have my Macbook at my palms. Unless Apple continues to tank the Macbook (I currently have the Pro 2014 model) I'll never buy a Windows laptop again.

Same deal for me. Although I'm likely moving back to Linux for work once this Macbook bites the dust.

Re: FTC slaps Lenovo on the wrist for selling computers with secret adware

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You could have some inflatable cushions that can only be controlled by the cloud.

It'll recognize your voice and automatically port your cushion preferences to other people's SmartCouches.

I think either the company name or product line should be "SmartAss". Lots of good bad marketing opportunities that way.

Re: FTC slaps Lenovo on the wrist for selling computers with secret adware

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Personally, they've lost my business. I used and loved Thinkpads for many years, but I no longer use them and now recommend against their purchase. Lenovo has a huge trust gap to repair.

I stick with ThinkPads old enough to have coreboot support. On the up side you get a proper keyboard, a screen aspect ratio not optimized only for consuming video, cheap spare parts and flawless Linux support.

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It's really crazy, isn't it??? The company that makes/sells me a couch doesn't currently install a microphone in the couch, so that they can analyze my conversations and sell my data to advertisers. Should they start trying? All of these tech companies are getting away with it!

There's no need. The device in front of your couch already does that.

What is scary is that the couch companies might /need/ to do this to survive! yikes!

Apple + Samsung have the phone market, but that didn't stop MSFT and AMZN from trying XD

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