Try recruitment tests like this one https://triplebyte.com/ (read faq: https://triplebyte.com/candidate_faq ) or even some remote dev factory type stuff like TopTal to start out otherwise you get that HR phone screen demanding your X years of experience with X stack. Another method is find a company you want to work for, find where they keep open source projects, and work on them. When they have a job opening you'll…
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I still doubt the "networking" part. I've got my first job in the states because a recruiter called me. Same for the second job. The third one was through being acquired. The fourth one, you could call networking if you call showing up for a recruiting event networking. 5th one? You guessed it, recruiter called. Sixth one? Yep. Exactly. Before that, I worked in Germany. 1st job, applied cold. Second one, applied cold…
That's one of the benefits of recruiters in my book - they get paid to do the networking.
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#143You should read this: http://www.kalzumeus.com/2011/10/28/dont-call-yourself-a-pro... Patrick may have a skewed view of reality because of his experience but this (and his other posts) brings you in the right mindset.
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I'm not the right person to ask. I've never managed to get a job that involved HR screening phone calls. I usually rate myself from 7 to 8. Probably 9 if I have 5+ years of experience or I would be confident consulting. Once I rated my skills as 10 for a technology I know quite a lot about. I was then told that I was showing off and that I need to work on being more humble.
Ouch. I think I'm starting to see why so many people get jobs through connections rather than cold applying.
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I'm at a small, dying startup doing Xamarin mobile development and I'm looking to pivot out of xamarin/mobile and into web and data. I am learning online and doing a side project on github, but I don't have experience making this kind of transition. I've thrown on an infrequent job application not expecting much and gotten 0 responses. So I am curious what others who have made that sort of transition do to get notice…
What made you want to pivot from Xamarin? Did you find there is a lack of opportunities, or do you dislike the technology? As someone who is looking into moving to Xamarin development I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.
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That's one of the benefits of recruiters in my book - they get paid to do the networking.
No, using a recruiter is nowhere near the same thing as networking. If you think this, you don't really understand what networking is about.
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#147Don't apply for jobs that have a laundry list of technogies you should be experienced in. Look for positions where they realize that tech will change every year and people will need to learn. That is the kind of place where they don't see you as replacable labor that needs to deliver on day 1 because they expect you to be gone within a year or two. Find a place that hopes and thinks you'll be there to see a few tech…
I think this is one of the most sensible replies. You only need to look at a HN 'who is hiring' thread though to see these kind of companies are pretty nonexistent.
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I still doubt the "networking" part. I've got my first job in the states because a recruiter called me. Same for the second job. The third one was through being acquired. The fourth one, you could call networking if you call showing up for a recruiting event networking. 5th one? You guessed it, recruiter called. Sixth one? Yep. Exactly. Before that, I worked in Germany. 1st job, applied cold. Second one, applied cold…
I still get recruiters randomly messaging me. However they're all looking for someone to move laterally, not up. This wasn't the case when I was more junior. Much like salary I find myself wondering if there isn't a limit to finding new opportunities without networking.
That’s probably safer for them. IME many recruiters doesn’t really have enough knowledge about the role they are trying to recruit for, so it would probably be very risky for them to try to find a ”rough diamond” since they are not really able to make such a judgement call with high enough chance of succeeding.
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What made you want to pivot from Xamarin? Did you find there is a lack of opportunities, or do you dislike the technology? As someone who is looking into moving to Xamarin development I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.
Xamarin Forms is a dead end in my opinion. I enjoyed writing non-Forms with a shared MVVM framework, but my job was in Forms. I also find mobile development to be too cornered. I was doing both platforms by myself with no room to grow as a developer. I spent too much time in Forms chasing down Forms bugs and trying to figure out why the latest version of Forms broke something new. So a bit of burnout as well. Hope th…