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Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on Caribbean Islands

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Re: Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on Caribbean Islands

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Post by joveian »

timeu wrote: post #49
rbritton wrote: post #14

This site makes an appearance on HN somewhat regularly, but in case it's new to anyone, it tends to be a pretty useful forecast visual for wind: https://www.windy.com/?25.820,-67.720,5

This one is also pretty nice: https://earth.nullschool.net/#2017/09/09/1200Z/wind/surface/... Especially there are many options to play around with (projections, etc)

I found that this one and windy.com give me bad information; something about the plugins I use and/or browser settings I suspect. With windy.com I saw Harvey crashing into Mexico and with earth.nullschool.net I just saw Irma almost directly south of Florida. Since it sounds like windy.com is based on the earth.nullschool.net code, I suspect it is the same issue in both. It seems like sometimes the map and wind layers get out of sync after moving the view area.

https://www.ventusky.com seems to work for me so far.

Re: Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on Caribbean Islands

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Post by paul7986 »

rdtsc wrote: post #80
S_A_P wrote: post #30

Having just lived through Harvey, I cannot stress enough that if you are in a position to evacuate, please do so. We were lucky to narrowly escape flooding in our home, but for 3 days we had no water, septic or power(need power for the other 2). The flooding had us stuck in our neighborhood but we were able to kayak out to safety. In addition to high winds(which Houston fortunately avoided) flooding is very dangerous…

What do you think of city mayor's decision not to order a larger scale evacuation. NYT seems to think it was absolutely (their word) the right thing to do. Being on the ground there, would you agree?

How do you evacuate 4 million people in a few days? Wouldn't they all clog up the roads and consume all the gasoline?

At first I thought he didn't make the right decision then history shows that a few weeks after Katrina another storm prompted an evacuation. Many more died then evacuating.

Re: Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on Caribbean Islands

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Post by zxcvbnm885 »

paul7986 wrote: post #82
rdtsc wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think of city mayor's decision not to order a larger scale evacuation. NYT seems to think it was absolutely (their word) the right thing to do. Being on the ground there, would you agree?

How do you evacuate 4 million people in a few days? Wouldn't they all clog up the roads and consume all the gasoline? At first I thought he didn't make the right decision then history shows that a few weeks after Katrina another storm prompted an evacuation. Many more died then evacuating.

How about just evacuating the most vulnerable?

Re: Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on Caribbean Islands

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Post by astrodust »

zxcvbnm885 wrote: post #83
paul7986 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you evacuate 4 million people in a few days? Wouldn't they all clog up the roads and consume all the gasoline? At first I thought he didn't make the right decision then history shows that a few weeks after Katrina another storm prompted an evacuation. Many more died then evacuating.

How about just evacuating the most vulnerable?

Some kind of classification system where people and/or households could be grouped together by urgency or sensitivity to calamities (e.g. diabetic, disabled, elderly) would make this process a lot more straightforward. If you're in group X you go at time Y, etc.

Not that this would ever fly in Texas where if the government tells you to do something it's just them interfering in your life.

Cuba has this down to a science. America has no clue what it's doing. The contrast is astounding.

Re: Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on Caribbean Islands

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Post by Jazonk »

lugg wrote: post #4

Been watching this for a few days with /r/tropicalweather. Amazing to watch. This site[1] has some really good info and daily videos with the rundown of the latest forecast [1] https://www.tropicaltidbits.com

It's also pretty fascinating to look at the Satellite images. Here you can check out the latest from the hi-res GOES-16. It's insane to see the scale of the hurricane, all told.

http://rammb-slider.cira.colostate.edu/

Re: Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on Caribbean Islands

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Post by importantbrian »

fma wrote: post #77
JustSomeNobody wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Florida native here. They must not remember Andrew. It was not fun and games. The media plays these storms up, yes, but they really are nothing to joke about. Even inland, as much rain as they produce, it only takes that one gust to push over a 200 year old oak and it can destroy a house. People should take these storms seriously. First responders' lives are put into jeopardy because of foolishness like that. Not try…

Florida native here, too. What op is probably referring to are those who haven't been decimated yet. I've lived in Ft.lauderdale a for a while and went through Andrew. We evacuated inland. The place we evacuated to lost power, where our house didn't. Ironic, isn't it. Ft.lauderdale wasn't near the eye. It was Miami/Homestead. Anyone who has lived in Ft.lauderdale has probably not faced a damaging hurricane. Andrew wa…

^ This I live in Ft. Lauderdale and most of my friends live in Broward. In our age group even if they lived here for Andrew they probably don't remember it. I would have been 6 when it happened.

Re: Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on Caribbean Islands

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Post by importantbrian »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #64
importantbrian wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in South Florida and this nails it. My friends who have lived here a short time are already planning to pack up and leave. My friends who have been here for 10+ years are all just going to stay and ride it out. I think even if they issued mandatory evacuations many of them would still not leave. They all speak longingly of having neighborhood "hurricane parties" while they wait for the power to come back on. T…

Florida native here. They must not remember Andrew. It was not fun and games. The media plays these storms up, yes, but they really are nothing to joke about. Even inland, as much rain as they produce, it only takes that one gust to push over a 200 year old oak and it can destroy a house. People should take these storms seriously. First responders' lives are put into jeopardy because of foolishness like that. Not try…

Yeah, the problem is I live in Ft. Lauderdale, so there hasn't been a truly devastating storm during the lifetime of most of the people I know. Most of my friends are around my age and I would have been 6 when Andrew came through, so even if they lived in Miami-Dade where the worst effects were they probably don't remember it.

Re: Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on Caribbean Islands

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Post by valarauca1 »

rdtsc wrote: post #80
S_A_P wrote: post #30

Having just lived through Harvey, I cannot stress enough that if you are in a position to evacuate, please do so. We were lucky to narrowly escape flooding in our home, but for 3 days we had no water, septic or power(need power for the other 2). The flooding had us stuck in our neighborhood but we were able to kayak out to safety. In addition to high winds(which Houston fortunately avoided) flooding is very dangerous…

What do you think of city mayor's decision not to order a larger scale evacuation. NYT seems to think it was absolutely (their word) the right thing to do. Being on the ground there, would you agree?

The few historical evacuations of >1mil people have often been over the course of 7+days, as well as over very large areas.

The only _successful_ evacuation of a major metropolitan area (>3mil) in 20k causalities so it is hard to call that successful.

Re: Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on Caribbean Islands

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Post by r0fl »

S_A_P wrote: post #30

Having just lived through Harvey, I cannot stress enough that if you are in a position to evacuate, please do so. We were lucky to narrowly escape flooding in our home, but for 3 days we had no water, septic or power(need power for the other 2). The flooding had us stuck in our neighborhood but we were able to kayak out to safety. In addition to high winds(which Houston fortunately avoided) flooding is very dangerous…

Evacuating is very difficult and dangerous.

This is a great read as to why:

https://np.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/6wcpt0/la_vita_bella_n...

Re: Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on Caribbean Islands

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Post by Godel_unicode »

astrodust wrote: post #84
zxcvbnm885 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about just evacuating the most vulnerable?

Some kind of classification system where people and/or households could be grouped together by urgency or sensitivity to calamities (e.g. diabetic, disabled, elderly) would make this process a lot more straightforward. If you're in group X you go at time Y, etc. Not that this would ever fly in Texas where if the government tells you to do something it's just them interfering in your life. Cuba has this down to a scie…

Hn: privacy is the most important thing, the government is making lists and out to get you.

Also Hn: let's make a detailed enough list of the exact medical condition of every household in the country that we can evacuate everyone more than X vulnerable in a few days.

Unrelated: you're aware Cuba has roughly the population of NYC, right?

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