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Doug Richard: Why do people hate lifestyle businesses?

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Re: Doug Richard: Why do people hate lifestyle businesses?

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I am actually a software developer of almost 10 years in a small company which I eventually realized is a lifestyle business. I initially thought that my boss just couldn't grow the company but later realized that he didn't want the stress of running a larger company, wanted time with his family, and that profits were going up so he was probably content once he was pocketing half a mil a year.

It can be frustrating though as many decisions seem to come down to the fact that any money spent in the business on employees, marketing, office space, servers, tools, etc is coming out of his pocket. Even though that is never stated outright by my boss, it is constantly in the back of my mind any time the cost of a project is discussed and especially when something is shot down with no other reason given.

There is also a lot of room for growth and profit in our niche market so knowing that the company is being artificially limited is frustrating. With that said, the company itself is relaxed, family friendly and very stable. I often get annoyed with decisions made but when I think about starting my own business and put myself in my boss's shoes I can understand many of his choices.

Re: Doug Richard: Why do people hate lifestyle businesses?

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I don't understand why it is inappropriate to label it a startup. By your definition 37signals is not a startup because they made money early on and don't work more than 40 hours per week. It seems like the childish / teenaged measuring stick he talked about regarding revenue or employee size. Like it isn't a real business/startup if you don't work 70+ hours per week and earn no money quickly.

I don't believe that DHH and Jason work less than 40 hours a week. Maybe they do now, 10 years later, but I think they've burned plenty of midnight oil that would put BP to shame. I don't understand why people who want a relaxed work environment label themselves a startup. That's like saying you're a marine but have never gone through bootcamp.

> I don't understand why people who want a relaxed work environment label themselves a startup.

Why not? I know some people want to take claim of the term because they chose one path that may have had more sacrifices but their way isn't the only way.

Hours worked per week is one of the least significant factors in defining "startup" for me.

Re: Doug Richard: Why do people hate lifestyle businesses?

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I've owned the same company for 10 years where I've sold software to cattle ranchers and horse owners in almost 60 countries. My company started out as lifestyle business. Then after I got my MBA I was ready to build it to sell so I could become a serial entrepreneur. After my wife and I had our son 2 years ago, I realized having a moderately passive income stream that gave us more time for family was what we were lo…

I agree 100%! I'm currently in an MBA program, and the focus is always on getting external funding and growing a business for the sake of growing. You have inspired me today. I'd love to run a business like yours where I could spend more time skiing, hiking, and enjoying the outdoors rather than slaving away for some VCs to make their 500% exit. Edit: I checked out the site listed in your profile. You have done an in…

Glad to hear and feel free to contact me if you ever want to visit.

As you probably know, being an entrepreneur in an MBA program can be trying as the corporate-minded students and professors look down on your "little business" while your non-MBA friends worry you will become the stereotypical MBA. Having been out several years now, I can say that it was well worth the investment.

Re: Doug Richard: Why do people hate lifestyle businesses?

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Anyone who thinks "lifestyle businesses" are a waste of time should look through some of the very small (in employees) companies for sale on bizbuysell.com. Yes, the sandwich shops and laundromats are poor earners, but I have run across 2-3 man operations selling niche products like vintage car parts that profit $500K-1M/year. I'll take earnings like that over "top tier VC", ridiculous business plan competitions, sel…

Thanks for the pointer to bizbuysell.com! I am going to have hours of fun perusing that one. Edit: ooooh! Email alerts matching my criteria!

Are you going to buy a business? I've been considering this route as I'd love to aqquire a passive income stream but can't seem to gain any traction on my own projects.

Re: Doug Richard: Why do people hate lifestyle businesses?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe that DHH and Jason work less than 40 hours a week. Maybe they do now, 10 years later, but I think they've burned plenty of midnight oil that would put BP to shame. I don't understand why people who want a relaxed work environment label themselves a startup. That's like saying you're a marine but have never gone through bootcamp.

> I don't understand why people who want a relaxed work environment label themselves a startup. Why not? I know some people want to take claim of the term because they chose one path that may have had more sacrifices but their way isn't the only way. Hours worked per week is one of the least significant factors in defining "startup" for me.

I agree it's not the only way but it's by far the majority. More importantly though, most founders don't consider it "work" so I think that's where we have a disconnect. Startups are intense, that doesn't mean it's not enjoyable.

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Re: Doug Richard: Why do people hate lifestyle businesses?

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I haven't personally observed hate for lifestyle businesses, only a prevailing opinion that lifestyle businesses aren't "startups." The distinction is probably imprecise in some cases, but growth is probably one of the key differentiators. Where a profitable lifestyle business might be happy to grow a few percept per year indefinitely, startups will tend to have a much more ambitious growth plan.

In any case, the result is that discussion, comments and advice for startups will sometimes be different than for a lifestyle business, funding being one of the obvious topics. Another is that yes, size of the business is important. Profit is not just the bottom line, the other is influence or power.

Re: Doug Richard: Why do people hate lifestyle businesses?

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as though the ability to raise money equates to the ability to make money. It doesn't.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

I used to work for a well-run small tech company that was basically an automatic money machine for the owner: a self-taught engineer. Then he decided he wanted to sell and take a few years off so he sold it to a group of "professional businessmen" who were great at raising the cash to buy the business. Sales began to tank within months and a few years later it was out of business even though the new owners kept pouring money into it (hint: if you bought a wildly profitable business, having to inject your own cash to keep it afloat should be a sign of something wrong!!).

They came up with every excuse in the book at every juncture, but anyone working there knew the real reason: they didn't have an f'ing clue what the hell they were doing!

OK, I deleted the rest of the rant :-) The real problem was that these guys acquired a successful lifestyle business and wanted to to scale it rapidly. Nothing wrong with that, but the problem was that because they were so well connected to capital, they completely ignored the point that in their previous companies, there were entire departments devoted to making good use of that cash after it was raised. But in this tiny business they had just bought, they would have to make those decisions or delegate them. Since the only people they could delegate to were two young engineers (who, of course, couldn't possibly know more about the business than they did!! - yes this is sarcasm!) that was simply not going to happen.

So instead we got to watch them make expensive mistake after expensive mistake until the cash ran out, all the while wondering how people so stupid could manage to raise so much money.

Re: Doug Richard: Why do people hate lifestyle businesses?

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I've owned the same company for 10 years where I've sold software to cattle ranchers and horse owners in almost 60 countries. My company started out as lifestyle business. Then after I got my MBA I was ready to build it to sell so I could become a serial entrepreneur. After my wife and I had our son 2 years ago, I realized having a moderately passive income stream that gave us more time for family was what we were lo…

The risk is, at some point someone will come along and compete and in effect destroy his business. He's relying on the future income stream where as the IPO route ends up with money in your pocket, that can't be taken away.

For example, someone runs the local pub that everyone drinks at despite the expensive beer, because it's the only one in town. Then wetherspoons turns up with it's cheap beer and aggressive promotions and original local pub struggles to make a profit anymore.

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