No Man’s Sky One Year Later • Hacker News Board

Re: No Man’s Sky One Year Later

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Post by Pigo » Tue, Sep 05, 2017, 8:16 PM UTC

KirinDave wrote: post #92

Pigo wrote: post #72

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This may be off-point, but are there more polished attempts at new ideas out there that are worth checking out? I can't keep up with what's worth playing anymore, and don't have time to play every game hoping that it hits the mark. Anytime I check out the top ranking games, it's new Call of Duty's, Battlefields, Assassin's Creeds, or sports (blegh) and a whole host of games that disappear as fast as they show up. I'd…

Yes. Modded Minecraft (try All the Mods 3 on the twitch client, or (formerly my modpack) Resonant Rise) Challenge Pack Modded Minecraft (Currently Popular: Age of Engineering, Forever Stranded, Sky Factory 3) Factorio Dwarf Fortress Modded Dwarf Fortress Masterwork Poschengband & Tome4 represent the pinnacle (to me) of classic Roguelike design. Risk of Rain Endless Legend Endless Space 2 (Amplitude releases a consist…

Whoa, thank you for the interesting list. I'm excited to check this stuff out.

Re: No Man’s Sky One Year Later

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Post by KirinDave » Tue, Sep 05, 2017, 8:18 PM UTC

ngold wrote: post #98

fake-name wrote: post #97

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I've never really understood some of the zachtronics games. Things like TIS-100 and Shenzen I/O confuse me. Why would I spend time learning some esoteric assembler that exists no where else, when you could take that same time and learn an actual assembler? I really, REALLY wish they had done something really clever, like targetted AVR opcodes or something for their vCPU. That'd make it so not only do you get to have…

Not to mention the huge loss of a learning opportunity to have players learn programming language basics for specific real world code

Let me prove your axiom wrong with a counterexample.

I love these games, and I can program (and have shipped to prod) in over a dozen languages including Erlang, Haskell, C++, C, Common Lisp, Java, Clojure, Scala.

What you're saying is nonsense. Practice in programming is practice in programming. If we wanted to, we could make the TIS-100 system real for embedded computing and I bet it'd be popular with some instruction extensions.

I did an annex course at a local middle school with TIS-100 to teach kids that programming is fun. It went over well.

Re: No Man’s Sky One Year Later

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Post by KirinDave » Tue, Sep 05, 2017, 8:20 PM UTC

Pigo wrote: post #121

KirinDave wrote: post #92

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Yes. Modded Minecraft (try All the Mods 3 on the twitch client, or (formerly my modpack) Resonant Rise) Challenge Pack Modded Minecraft (Currently Popular: Age of Engineering, Forever Stranded, Sky Factory 3) Factorio Dwarf Fortress Modded Dwarf Fortress Masterwork Poschengband & Tome4 represent the pinnacle (to me) of classic Roguelike design. Risk of Rain Endless Legend Endless Space 2 (Amplitude releases a consist…

Whoa, thank you for the interesting list. I'm excited to check this stuff out.

If you google my name and youtube you'll find an depressingly large cache of content. My recent stuff is not really for random consumption, but my older stuff was when I was considering becoming a fulltime gamer.

I have a still-relevant tutorial on Dwarf Fortress, SpaceChem, and over a hundred hours of very technical modded minecraft play.

Re: No Man’s Sky One Year Later

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Post by Pigo » Tue, Sep 05, 2017, 8:20 PM UTC

hello_asdf wrote: post #77

Pigo wrote: post #72

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This may be off-point, but are there more polished attempts at new ideas out there that are worth checking out? I can't keep up with what's worth playing anymore, and don't have time to play every game hoping that it hits the mark. Anytime I check out the top ranking games, it's new Call of Duty's, Battlefields, Assassin's Creeds, or sports (blegh) and a whole host of games that disappear as fast as they show up. I'd…

Try Europa Universalis 4 by Paradox Interactive. It's a strategy game.

I think I will be checking this one out

Re: No Man’s Sky One Year Later

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Post by marssaxman » Tue, Sep 05, 2017, 8:44 PM UTC

zzalpha wrote: post #81

newforice wrote: post #66

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> Virtually every open world game has the same basic loop: collect, craft/buy/sell, build. That is a massive loop though, huge, world size, not confined to a specific path. I choose my path through the world. > After that, it's just a question of how you motivate players to go through the loop Open World is about ... openness. The player gets to decide, specific motivation not required; the journey is the motivation.

The player gets to decide, specific motivation not required; the journey is the motivation. But you still need gameplay mechanics to support the user's activities. If the user is motivated by quests, you need good quests. If the user is motivated by conflict, then you need good fighting mechanics, etc. If the user is motivated by building/construction, you need strong mechanics to support that. Unfortunately, I suspe…

"Myst" was basically all about wandering around seeing cool stuff, and it was so wildly popular that it held the "best-selling PC game" title for nine years.

Re: No Man’s Sky One Year Later

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Sep 05, 2017, 9:08 PM UTC

yttrium wrote: post #99

anon_dev_123456 wrote: post #70

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Cosmo was shunned because he went looney tunes in a very short timespan. For those who don't really watch speedruns, what happened to him was really fucked up. - Lost in very important tournament. - Got depressed because of it. - Girlfriend left him. - More depressed. - Suddenly, "I'm actually a girl". I feel really really sorry for Cosmo, so much went wrong in his life in a very short timespan and he snapped.

It's not "He's actually a girl." She's a woman. Use the right pronouns.

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Re: No Man’s Sky One Year Later

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Post by arthulia » Tue, Sep 05, 2017, 9:22 PM UTC

fake-name wrote: post #97

KirinDave wrote: post #92

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Yes. Modded Minecraft (try All the Mods 3 on the twitch client, or (formerly my modpack) Resonant Rise) Challenge Pack Modded Minecraft (Currently Popular: Age of Engineering, Forever Stranded, Sky Factory 3) Factorio Dwarf Fortress Modded Dwarf Fortress Masterwork Poschengband & Tome4 represent the pinnacle (to me) of classic Roguelike design. Risk of Rain Endless Legend Endless Space 2 (Amplitude releases a consist…

I've never really understood some of the zachtronics games. Things like TIS-100 and Shenzen I/O confuse me. Why would I spend time learning some esoteric assembler that exists no where else, when you could take that same time and learn an actual assembler? I really, REALLY wish they had done something really clever, like targetted AVR opcodes or something for their vCPU. That'd make it so not only do you get to have…

The games aren't really about the language--which have maybe 12 instructions at most--they're about the challenge of working with an extremely limited instruction set. They're puzzle games disguised as games about assembly languages. A game using a real instruction set might be fun for some people, but it would feel a lot different, and probably have to be a lot more challenging to make up for all of the convenient instructions. At that point you're basically just programming.

Re: No Man’s Sky One Year Later

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Post by zzalpha » Tue, Sep 05, 2017, 9:23 PM UTC

marssaxman wrote: post #125

zzalpha wrote: post #81

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The player gets to decide, specific motivation not required; the journey is the motivation. But you still need gameplay mechanics to support the user's activities. If the user is motivated by quests, you need good quests. If the user is motivated by conflict, then you need good fighting mechanics, etc. If the user is motivated by building/construction, you need strong mechanics to support that. Unfortunately, I suspe…

"Myst" was basically all about wandering around seeing cool stuff, and it was so wildly popular that it held the "best-selling PC game" title for nine years .

So you're just going to ignore the highly regarded puzzle solving component of Myst that formed the core gameplay element that drove people to it?

Heck, if you're gonna argue this way, I'm surprised you didn't pick Super Mario Bros. After all, Mario Bros. is just wandering around and seeing cool stuff. You just to have to jump over things every now and then...

Re: No Man’s Sky One Year Later

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Post by KirinDave » Tue, Sep 05, 2017, 9:28 PM UTC

tekromancr wrote: post #119

lodi wrote: post #106

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TIS and Shenzen superficially look like assembly programming, but in reality they're very sophisticated puzzle games. You basically create these networks of routines, each of which is limited to something like 9 lines of code (and labels cost a line!). All the tasks are structured so that when you try to code them the straightforward way you're always short a line or two, and then you have to sit there racking your b…

Labels and code can share a line, like this: ST: MOV X1 ACC TEQ ACC 1 + JMP ST MOV X1 X2 SLP 1 Now go back and optimize your solutions! :)

My fav part of Zachtronics games is that they show an alternative vision of massively multiplayer PVP where the metric of success is not, "Who is the best murderer?"

Re: No Man’s Sky One Year Later

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Post by KirinDave » Tue, Sep 05, 2017, 10:17 PM UTC

vorpalhex wrote: post #49

dexwiz wrote: post #7

Open world games are notoriously disappointing. "What is this game supposed to be?" is a great question. Are you trying to explore? collect resources and upgrade grind? build things? combat (ground or space)? By being all these things, they became nothing. All encompassing space games (for example EVE) take years to build, usually in the form of updates after release. As for the UI. It looks like its designed so the…

If you want strong direction, then open world is the wrong end of the spectrum. Give me a large world with lots of complexity and I'll entertain myself for hundreds of hours. Give me a directed plot and I'll probably stop caring in about 4 hours. It seems to me there are two very different views of story telling in games. One camp wants games to be strongly directed minimal choice stories with a very specific narrati…

Oh man come join me in modded minecraft. I need someone to help me build my new elevator system and work up a mining system to amass and process ores for the fusion reactor I want to build.