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Re: Raddit: An open source alternative to Reddit

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Post by zakk »

tray5 wrote: post #26
blackguardx wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are anarchists considererd left wing? Anarchists and especially anarcho-capitalists have a lot of overlap with libertarians. If you talk to a serious anarchist, they sound like they are against big government and other authority structures. The far left is suppsed to be communist, which seems the opposite of anarchy.

All anarchists are left wing, the majority of which are communist (some are mutualist). Anarchism has always been an anti-capitalist movement (I guess it's fairer to say, it's an anti-unjust hierarchy movement), it's only been co-opted by propertarians ("anarcho"capitalist) in the past 50 years. And even then, that's largely localized to America, outside of America libertarians have always been anarchists (communist…

Both the far left and the far right advocate a stronger control of the government over citizens, and in doing so they distance themselves from anarchism.

Re: Raddit: An open source alternative to Reddit

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Post by ycmbntrthrwaway »

blackguardx wrote: post #20
tray5 wrote: post #14

Eh it's not really a general purpose reddit clone, it was written by users of /r/anarchism as an alternative platform for discussion because they lost faith in the reddit administration. You can see this in the design of the site, with a larger focus on democratic decision making and an intolerance for any bigoted or racist communities. If voat was the alt-right's reddit alternative then raddit is the lefts.

Are anarchists considererd left wing? Anarchists and especially anarcho-capitalists have a lot of overlap with libertarians. If you talk to a serious anarchist, they sound like they are against big government and other authority structures. The far left is suppsed to be communist, which seems the opposite of anarchy.

I suggest you read at least the start of "An Anarchist FAQ". It is specifically dedicated to explaining why "anarcho-capitalism" is not anarchism.

From Introduction [1]: "We should also indicate the history of this FAQ. It was started in 1995 when a group of anarchists got together in order to write an FAQ refuting the claims of certain "libertarian" capitalists to being anarchists. Those who were involved in this project had spent many an hour on-line refuting claims by these people that capitalism and anarchism could go together."

It is pretty obvious that so-called "libertarians" (Rothbard et al., who argue for absolute private property) are not anarchist, but now that David Friedman's ideas and "Machinery of Freedom" book becomes popular and he calls himself "anarcho-capitalist" it became necessary to explain why "anarcho-capitalism" is an oxymoron again.

There is a long tradition of market anarchism, and even Agorsim (see Samuel Edward Konkin III) can be considered to be anarchism in my opinion, but "anarcho-capitalism" is not.

[1] http://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/intro.html

Re: Raddit: An open source alternative to Reddit

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Post by chasing »

alex_g wrote: post #120
chasing wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're thinking good thoughts as far as being aware of the various effects that software design will have on community. Hacker News, for example, restricts certain actions (like downvoting) until you've crossed a certain participation threshold. Other sites disallow downvoting entirely. Some sites don't allow images or links. Others do. Some require a few bucks payment to join. There are all sorts of technical tricks…

Not sure why you think I'd tear you a new one, that was a well thought out reply, which I very much appreciate. You bring up a great point about the self policing. That's why HackerNews, ProductHunt, and many of the smaller subreddits do quite well. But what differentiates an old fashion comment thread from a better solution if not the "technical tricks"? Also, "in the days of yore", when community design was a hotly…

Heh. I get a little defensive sometimes. ;-)

Again: I'm not an expert. But I feel I've been around the block on this topic.

Some people think it's a naughty word, but: Moderation. Or -- to put it in different terms -- a community manager. That's one way to try to enforce norms. But I'd say that the most powerful way is via intelligent growth. For example, don't just open the floodgates. Grow a community at a rate where newcomers never overwhelm the existing users. Communities that "break" can be hard to "fix" once toxic norms have been established.

The debates would probably seem fairly simplistic to today's ears, but remember that the community design of Twitter (140 chars, public, "following") was a novel idea a dozen-or-so years ago. There was a ton of experimentation with how different communities could be built. Big business at the time!

One place I've found interesting as far as learning about community design is online games. Game designers are trying to design very specific experiences for users, and you can learn a lot by looking at how Overwatch (for example) tunes both gameplay and community to craft that experience. Even when playing with a dozen strangers.

Anyway, maybe those are some leads for you.

Re: Raddit: An open source alternative to Reddit

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Post by granitosaurus »

hilbertseries wrote: post #102
monokrome wrote: post #72

I wonder if these people are aware that they didn't need to write a Reddit clone? Why would you write a Reddit clone in PHP when Reddit itself is a perfectly fine open source Python project? Is their license not permissive enough? https://github.com/reddit/reddit

Reddit is kind of a pain to run at small scale because it has so many dependences: https://github.com/reddit/reddit/wiki/Dependencies .

That's actually not much at all.

Re: Raddit: An open source alternative to Reddit

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Post by odiroot »

tdb7893 wrote: post #16
junkculture wrote: post #9

The communities already there appear to be as toxic as reddit, so good job. I guess.

In my experience it's pretty easy to find non-toxic reddit communities. Most smaller subreddits for specific things are actually pretty nice.

But you need to be aware that's the recommended way to use Reddit.

A lot of big subs and even some default ones are extremely toxic, propagandist and authoritarian.

Re: Raddit: An open source alternative to Reddit

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Post by pamqzl »

blackguardx wrote: post #20
tray5 wrote: post #14

Eh it's not really a general purpose reddit clone, it was written by users of /r/anarchism as an alternative platform for discussion because they lost faith in the reddit administration. You can see this in the design of the site, with a larger focus on democratic decision making and an intolerance for any bigoted or racist communities. If voat was the alt-right's reddit alternative then raddit is the lefts.

Are anarchists considererd left wing? Anarchists and especially anarcho-capitalists have a lot of overlap with libertarians. If you talk to a serious anarchist, they sound like they are against big government and other authority structures. The far left is suppsed to be communist, which seems the opposite of anarchy.

Both left-anarchists and right-anarchists (anarchocapitalists) tend to deny that the others are "true" anarchists.

In my view the main difference is not in their view of what should happen, but rather in their impossibly rosy assumptions of what happens next. Left-anarchists assume that if you get rid of the government the world becomes a left-wing utopia, while right-anarchists assume that if you get rid of the government then the world becomes a right-wing utopia.

To me, neither of these scenarios seems more likely than the other.

Re: Raddit: An open source alternative to Reddit

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Post by tray5 »

pamqzl wrote: post #126
blackguardx wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are anarchists considererd left wing? Anarchists and especially anarcho-capitalists have a lot of overlap with libertarians. If you talk to a serious anarchist, they sound like they are against big government and other authority structures. The far left is suppsed to be communist, which seems the opposite of anarchy.

Both left-anarchists and right-anarchists (anarchocapitalists) tend to deny that the others are "true" anarchists. In my view the main difference is not in their view of what should happen, but rather in their impossibly rosy assumptions of what happens next. Left-anarchists assume that if you get rid of the government the world becomes a left-wing utopia, while right-anarchists assume that if you get rid of the gove…

> Left-anarchists assume that if you get rid of the government the world becomes a left-wing utopia, while right-anarchists assume that if you get rid of the government then the world becomes a right-wing utopia.

I'd say you're strawmanning both sides here, left anarchists know the state grows out of the conflicting class interests of the working class and capitalist class, and that abolition of the state necessarily requires abolition of capitalism. Propertarians believe that if you got rid of the government, the free market will sort things out because it's the gov. interference in private enterprise that causes societies conflicts. Neither believe in a magic switch or anything.

Re: Raddit: An open source alternative to Reddit

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Post by pamqzl »

flogic wrote: post #63
kbenson wrote: post #36

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I think you have a fairly narrow view of anarchism. > I'd also argue that anarcho-capitalism and right-libertarianism are not anarchist in any sense, as they uphold the inherently hierarchical system of capitalism. In what way is capitalism hierarchical, except in an ad hoc way that is constantly redefined based on the current needs of the people interacting?

Capitalism is more about a few controlling the means of production than it is about market activity. People tend to think of it as a market economy but it's really about who has power and reaps it's rewards.

Actually what you're describing is just the fact that the word "capitalism" is used to mean markedly different things by different groups of people, which makes it a bad word to use in discussions between people with different perspectives.

Karl Marx's definition of "capitalism" is very different from Ayn Rand's definition of "capitalism". And both of them are very different from the "capitalism" that describes the economy as it actually exists in the present day.

Re: Raddit: An open source alternative to Reddit

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Post by s_kilk »

tray5 wrote: post #76
kemiller wrote: post #44

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But what, exactly, is the alternative to a free market?

Personally I'm a fan of a workers run syndicalist economy. There are other options, like a workers run market economy, or an outright collectivist gift economy.

> or an outright collectivist gift economy.

Of which we already have a great example in FOSS.

Re: Raddit: An open source alternative to Reddit

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Post by jrimbault »

striking wrote: post #51
kbenson wrote: post #39

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> https://raddit.me/wiki/history Wow, it's been a while since I read something that full of propaganda that wasn't at least somewhat tongue-in-cheek (unless this is and I'm missing it). Not that I doubt there's at least a grain of truth to most the statements, but when someone uses "redditcorp" to describe Reddit, and says stuff like "The_Donald completely took over the site and likely propelled Donald Trump into the…

Especially considering The_Donald is no longer visible on the default homepage.

Was that before or after november ? I can't recall...
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