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There was a time, so I'm told by Oracle DBAs, that Oracle was developed on Solaris first, then ported to other platforms. So, Solaris had the best support, and least problems. Bugs were fixed there first. To quote, "If you're going to run Oracle, you might as well run it on Solaris" I guess that is not the case any more.
> least problems. I guess if oracle wants those support contracts, they can't have an operating system that doesn't need it!
The sudden death and eternal life of Solaris
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Re: The sudden death and eternal life of Solaris
#62I wouldn't call illumos "thriving". Commit activity[1] is low for a project of this size (compared to e.g. BSDs) and its hardware support is poor. Probably the biggest problem is the fact that all existing distributions are undermaintained and unpolished. SmartOS is the only exception, but it's not a replacement for Solaris which was a general-purpose server OS. SmartOS is merely a bare-metal hypervisor. I really hop…
On commit activity, we in illumos don't necessarily have the same values as other projects: we really want to get it correct the first time -- a trait inherited from Solaris that we call "FCS quality all the time."[1] As such, commits have to be tested, thoroughly reviewed (four or more reviewers is not uncommon), and (as a practical matter) are more often than not shipping in a downstream repo for an extended period of time before they integrate upstream into illumos. In short, we value quality much, much more than quantity -- and what you perceive to be "low" activity I perceive to be quality activity (and as someone who very much relies on the ability to stay current and deploy into production, high commit activity would leave me nervous).
In terms of hardware support, you need to be specific. Yes, there is esoteric hardware we don't support -- but we in illumos are really focused on the server-side, where there is less hardware variation than you might realize. At the moment, the biggest hardware limitations aren't in the traditional domain of CPU/NIC/HBA/flash/spindle (where we have broad support), but rather in the emerging domain of the GPGPU. And anyone who is interested in engaging in the substantial kernel work in this domain (both to make NVIDIA-based GPGPUs to work in hardware virtualized guests and to allow AMD-based GPGPUs to work natively) should consider reaching out -- Joyent is very much hiring![2]
[1] http://dtrace.org/blogs/bmc/2015/09/03/software-immaculate-f...
Re: The sudden death and eternal life of Solaris
#63> ..employees who had given their careers to the company were told of their termination via a pre-recorded call — “robo-RIF’d” Every single first person or second hand account I've heard about Oracle makes like a terrible place to work... is this just people being hyperbolic, or is is truly that terrible?
> is this just people being hyperbolic, or is is truly that terrible? I'm on the outside looking in and don't have any special internal insight, but they didn't just pull this robo-RIF idea out of their ass spur-of-the-moment. Oracle is the kind of place that maintains a robo-layoff system , which pretty much says all you need to know. "What you think of Oracle is even truer than you think it is. There has been no en…
Re: The sudden death and eternal life of Solaris
#64Maybe sell to someone else?
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Soderberghs version is much more reflective of what happened with the emergence of OpenSolaris and Illumos (not to give away any spoilers but apparently forking is a real thing and it lives on). Tarkovskys movie was such a philosophical drivel that I feel asleep. How is the book - is it worth reading? As I understood it neither of films follow the novel very closely.
I didn't read the book, but being boring is Tarkovsky's touch, so it sounds pretty safe to say it comes from him. Also people, please don't downvote parent. It's very fair to say this movie is boring and confusing, and I think it was the very point. Tarkovsky has this style of filming around supernatural / sf things but never actually showing them. Instead, he prefers to explore the anxiety they cause on humans, anxi…
As for Solaris, it is worth reading the book as well as watching both versions of the film -- they ask and explore different questions. The book is about the nature of intelligence and life whereas the films are more about the human part of the equation -- what does it mean to be a human as opposed to be a "replicant"? Tarkovsky is slower paced, but IMHO encourages deep reflection. Soderbergh's version is definitely more watchable and is actually quite thoughtful by Hollywood standards.
Re: The sudden death and eternal life of Solaris
#67I hate to be facile, but if Sun and Solaris were so great and Oracle was this known bad place, why did they let the Oracle people in the door in the first place? Maybe sell to someone else?
I remember rumours that MS was in the game, but the fit there was a lot harder to find.
Re: The sudden death and eternal life of Solaris
#68I hate to be facile, but if Sun and Solaris were so great and Oracle was this known bad place, why did they let the Oracle people in the door in the first place? Maybe sell to someone else?
Re: The sudden death and eternal life of Solaris
#69I wouldn't call illumos "thriving". Commit activity[1] is low for a project of this size (compared to e.g. BSDs) and its hardware support is poor. Probably the biggest problem is the fact that all existing distributions are undermaintained and unpolished. SmartOS is the only exception, but it's not a replacement for Solaris which was a general-purpose server OS. SmartOS is merely a bare-metal hypervisor. I really hop…
I can relate to your statement to some extent. Why illumos is not "thriving" is _maybe_ because it does not have solid general purpose distribution. Tribblix is kinda trying to get there, but I haven't used it for more than few sessions inside VM. Dream OS for me would be something ala OpenBSD, but built on top of illumos and with all the goods that would come with it.
Re: The sudden death and eternal life of Solaris
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
For some Solaris has been one of the first UNIX experiences, as it was one of the most popular unices out there. Most university used it before Linux became popular. For others, like me, who learned Solaris fairly late (2006), Solaris was a testbed for one of the best operating system technologies out there. Modern filesystem (ZFS), dynamic tracing (dtrace), containerization (zones), dependency management during boot…
> For some Solaris has been one of the first UNIX experiences, as it was one of the most popular unices out there. Most university used it before Linux became popular. This was my case. I was playing around with Linux, both on my own machine at home as well as with a server at my high school (shell accounts being a perk of joining the computer club). While learning about Linux I also picked up some of the history of…
I have an ultra 5 in a closet that hasn't been powered on in the current decade. Was thinking of giving it a spin in light of recent news.