Chinese Man Sentenced to Prison for Selling VPN Software
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Chinese Man Sentenced to Prison for Selling VPN Software
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#2The man was charged with "violat[ing] state regulations and intrud[ing] into computer systems with information concerning state affairs, construction of defense facilities, and sophisticated science and technology." It's bizarre interpretations of the law like this, that don't even fit the "crime", that show that the underlying reason was to send a message instead of actually performing a legitimate arrest.
Re: Chinese Man Sentenced to Prison for Selling VPN Software
#3The man was charged with "violat[ing] state regulations and intrud[ing] into computer systems with information concerning state affairs, construction of defense facilities, and sophisticated science and technology." It's bizarre interpretations of the law like this, that don't even fit the "crime", that show that the underlying reason was to send a message instead of actually performing a legitimate arrest.
China doesn't really have rule of law. If they want to make an example of you, they will find a way to do it. Judge's are completely deferrent to officials in that way, and there is no judicial review. It is just classic rule by law (laws are weaponized to serve whatever purpose vs. being fairly applied).
Re: Chinese Man Sentenced to Prison for Selling VPN Software
#4The man was charged with "violat[ing] state regulations and intrud[ing] into computer systems with information concerning state affairs, construction of defense facilities, and sophisticated science and technology." It's bizarre interpretations of the law like this, that don't even fit the "crime", that show that the underlying reason was to send a message instead of actually performing a legitimate arrest.
China doesn't really have rule of law. If they want to make an example of you, they will find a way to do it. Judge's are completely deferrent to officials in that way, and there is no judicial review. It is just classic rule by law (laws are weaponized to serve whatever purpose vs. being fairly applied).
Selective enforcement is a really annoying way of seeing the law applied. And it is happening in more places than just China.
Re: Chinese Man Sentenced to Prison for Selling VPN Software
#5Earlier quoted context omitted.
China doesn't really have rule of law. If they want to make an example of you, they will find a way to do it. Judge's are completely deferrent to officials in that way, and there is no judicial review. It is just classic rule by law (laws are weaponized to serve whatever purpose vs. being fairly applied).
Selective enforcement is a really annoying way of seeing the law applied. And it is happening in more places than just China.
GP was describing more than just selective enforcement. And while that may happen elsewhere, it's particularly bad in China relative to their level of development and size.
At what point do we stop drooling over the market size and advocate for dignity and rights for 18% of the world's population? Not to mention the danger authoritarian regimes pose just by existing. An apparatus that powerful that could be structurally hijacked by a tiny number of people is a scary thing.
Re: Chinese Man Sentenced to Prison for Selling VPN Software
#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
Selective enforcement is a really annoying way of seeing the law applied. And it is happening in more places than just China.
GP was describing more than just selective enforcement. And while that may happen elsewhere, it's particularly bad in China relative to their level of development and size. At what point do we stop drooling over the market size and advocate for dignity and rights for 18% of the world's population? Not to mention the danger authoritarian regimes pose just by existing. An apparatus that powerful that could be structura…
The 18%, Chinese people, do not want outsider's input on their governmental structure. On the whole (edit: "on the whole" means "most people"), they are perfectly happy with the way things are going. Standards of living increase year-over-year every single year. Until that stops, they don't want a thing to change. Now if that stops for a decade or so, maybe it will change. But that's unlikely to happen. So, it's futile to bring your western view to bear on their issues. A one party government is the way they want it here.
Re: Chinese Man Sentenced to Prison for Selling VPN Software
#7Rubber hose policing of the Internet.
Just remember that, as with The Great Firewall and the (commercial) development and initial sales of its technologies, so too with this: China is the prototype.
Re: Chinese Man Sentenced to Prison for Selling VPN Software
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
Selective enforcement is a really annoying way of seeing the law applied. And it is happening in more places than just China.
GP was describing more than just selective enforcement. And while that may happen elsewhere, it's particularly bad in China relative to their level of development and size. At what point do we stop drooling over the market size and advocate for dignity and rights for 18% of the world's population? Not to mention the danger authoritarian regimes pose just by existing. An apparatus that powerful that could be structura…
Supposed we all agree that China should have proper judicial review, how are we suppose to convince them that they should change?
Re: Chinese Man Sentenced to Prison for Selling VPN Software
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
GP was describing more than just selective enforcement. And while that may happen elsewhere, it's particularly bad in China relative to their level of development and size. At what point do we stop drooling over the market size and advocate for dignity and rights for 18% of the world's population? Not to mention the danger authoritarian regimes pose just by existing. An apparatus that powerful that could be structura…
The 18%, Chinese people, do not want outsider's input on their governmental structure. On the whole (edit: "on the whole" means "most people"), they are perfectly happy with the way things are going. Standards of living increase year-over-year every single year. Until that stops, they don't want a thing to change. Now if that stops for a decade or so, maybe it will change. But that's unlikely to happen. So, it's futi…
As if the CCP's "miracle" of economic development hasn't already been done in South Korea, Taiwan, etc. without the authoritarians who also brought the wonders that are The Great Leap Forward and The Cultural Revolution.
Or as if India isn't already basically replicating the same feat with a democracy, but 10 years delayed.
It isn't a "Western view" to understand that governments that respect human rights generally lead to happier civilizations in the long run. It's simply observable from empirical data.
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#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
China doesn't really have rule of law. If they want to make an example of you, they will find a way to do it. Judge's are completely deferrent to officials in that way, and there is no judicial review. It is just classic rule by law (laws are weaponized to serve whatever purpose vs. being fairly applied).
Selective enforcement is a really annoying way of seeing the law applied. And it is happening in more places than just China.
True. Rule of law is just an ideal, western developed governments are setup to help realize it, but abuses still occur.
In china, rule of law is not even an ideal, its system is not setup to support it, it is considered a western imperialistic concept that does not fit china.
Third world problems vs. first world ones.