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“Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

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Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

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post #7

There's a pattern here: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/30/us/politics/eric-schmidt-...

It's the endgame. There's less and less breathable room between the biggest players. That oversized market share turns into profits which turn into power: political and psychological. Most people won't have heard of these incidents. Of those, most won't even remember them next week. Soon, those who would dissent will pick their livelihood over speaking up for their principles. And I can't blame them.

Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

#32

https://xkcd.com/743/

Seems you are getting similar treatment as I did in the past for posting relevant XKCDs. I'm guessing it's because you aren't adding much value to the conversation, but could be some folks hate XKCD too I guess.

Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

#33
post #12

Google are really shitty with their web browser especially on mobile. If you run Firefox you get a stripped down version of Google Search also with no infinite scrolling for images and low resolution. Use a user agent spoofer like this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/chrome-ua-on-... And it seems to work fine on Firefox. I'm sure their official excuse is that they only support WebKit based browsers on…

I discovered this as well. Not only, they're faking it with the new YouTube design as well. I had to set my user agent to Chrome to get the new dark theme (it may have changed later). I did try different user-agents using AgentX[1] and with Edge UA they said the new look wouldn't work (or in effect something along those lines), so there is not much actual feature check going on. Only setting Chrome would give me all…

These things have led me back to try Firefox again for the first time in years and nightly (57) is extremely snappy, even compared to chrome. I'm very very pleased.

Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

#34

https://xkcd.com/743/

Seems you are getting similar treatment as I did in the past for posting relevant XKCDs. I'm guessing it's because you aren't adding much value to the conversation, but could be some folks hate XKCD too I guess.

Not a downvoter, but it doesn't quite work. Google isn't against open-source. It's somewhat related, but not exactly.

Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

#35
post #12

Google are really shitty with their web browser especially on mobile. If you run Firefox you get a stripped down version of Google Search also with no infinite scrolling for images and low resolution. Use a user agent spoofer like this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/chrome-ua-on-... And it seems to work fine on Firefox. I'm sure their official excuse is that they only support WebKit based browsers on…

(I used to work on the webserver for Google Search. Left Google several years ago, have no more vested interest in them.)

The reason for the browser-sniffing in search is a combination of ease of testing + latency reduction. By supporting a known set of browsers, you can write a test plan for each and shard it out among contractors (or ideally, automate it with a Selenium config). Manual tests run on every release (2/week when I left, maybe more now), and automated tests run on every changelist (thousands/week), so you can see how adding additional browsers to the testing matrix can consume significant resources. Very often cutting-edge features will launch on Chrome only and then if users like them, they'll get ported over to all the other browsers. (Or, just as often, the project is canceled and the feature is unlaunched on Chrome a year later, which IMHO isn't a great habit on Google's part but it is what it is.)

If you're manually spoofing your user agent, then Google figures that you know what you're doing and it's "use at your own risk anyway", and that if you get a broken experience, your first thought will be to disable the user-agent spoofing.

Additionally, browser-sniffing lets you serve only the JS needed for that particular browser, and not all of the hacks/polyfills/bugfixes/workarounds needed for browsers that the user isn't using. This is probably less of an issue now that things are more standard, but when I started ('09), not needing to serve all of the IE6 workarounds when the user was on Chrome or Firefox saved a lot of latency for users that were on modern browsers.

Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

#36

https://xkcd.com/743/

Seems you are getting similar treatment as I did in the past for posting relevant XKCDs. I'm guessing it's because you aren't adding much value to the conversation, but could be some folks hate XKCD too I guess.

XKCD is a high iq version of a reaction gif.

Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems you are getting similar treatment as I did in the past for posting relevant XKCDs. I'm guessing it's because you aren't adding much value to the conversation, but could be some folks hate XKCD too I guess.

Not a downvoter, but it doesn't quite work. Google isn't against open-source. It's somewhat related, but not exactly.

I didn't see that XKCD is being specifically about open source. That said, the one I posted a few months ago was spot on and yet it was downvoted to death within a few hours, so I don't think it really matters how perfect the fitting is.

Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems you are getting similar treatment as I did in the past for posting relevant XKCDs. I'm guessing it's because you aren't adding much value to the conversation, but could be some folks hate XKCD too I guess.

XKCD is a high iq version of a reaction gif.

I agree completely now that you say that.

Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

#39
I wish I could use Vivaldi, it seems like a nice browser for power users. Unfortunately it's closed source (besides the Webkit parts). Considering how much sensitive information goes through a browser nowadays, I would never consider something closed source.

I'm sure Vivaldi has no intentions of becoming "evil" like Google, but because of its closed source nature it wouldn't be hard to slip a tracker or two in the browser and regular users would be none the wiser.

Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

#40
I'm a bit skeptical of the claims he's making in his article, since he has obvious incentives as the founder of a browser company competing with Google. Judging from the amazing features listed on the webpage (bar charts of my history, wow, do not need that at all), I'm guessing his product sense might have some something to do with his companies not working out, not bigger competitors that are out to get him.

Can anyone point me to links confirming his two claims: that Google services were maliciously blocking Opera for reasons other than compatibility and efficiency for a low-market-share browser, and that Google blocked his ads for spurious reasons. He doesn't really provide details on what rules he was violating, but judging from the fact that the ads were reinstated the moment he was in compliance with them, it sounds like a trumped up charge.

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