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Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

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Google are really shitty with their web browser especially on mobile. If you run Firefox you get a stripped down version of Google Search also with no infinite scrolling for images and low resolution. Use a user agent spoofer like this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/chrome-ua-on-... And it seems to work fine on Firefox. I'm sure their official excuse is that they only support WebKit based browsers on…

I discovered this as well. Not only, they're faking it with the new YouTube design as well. I had to set my user agent to Chrome to get the new dark theme (it may have changed later).

I did try different user-agents using AgentX[1] and with Edge UA they said the new look wouldn't work (or in effect something along those lines), so there is not much actual feature check going on. Only setting Chrome would give me all features.

Google is doing what Microsoft did 10 years ago - it didn't go so well for Microsoft when people eventually caught on.

1: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/agentx/

Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like companies are stuck in a losing game. We constantly push small companies to capture more market share. Any companies that fold during that effort, we bring out the pitchforks because the services they ran get shut off. Any companies that succeed , we bring out the pitchforks because they own too much market power. It seems a bit much that we ask for companies to constantly grow and simultaneously ensure…

Do "we" really push companies to capture market share? I mean sure, stockholders do, but "we" as the general public don't really care about a companies size until they become too big.

I'd say there's a portion of non-shareholders who believe companies they like should be fighting to maximize market share, but I agree with you in-so-far as I think we can ignore that group for purposes of this discussion.

To your point: if you're the CEO of a company, and the shareholders are pushing you to capture market share, you're quite inclined to do it. Especially since capturing market share makes it more likely your company will stay profitable or become profitable, even absent shareholder wishes. Which works until/unless you reach the point where you've gotten the combination of skill and luck and circumstance that means you end up with a monopoly market share, at which point "we" (where we == the non-shareholder general public) start posting about how your company has taken over the market and the government should declare you some combination of "common carrier" or "utility" or "out of business".

Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

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Really sounds like some sort of RICO or extortion charge should be filed against Google, assuming this is all 100% factual.

it is probably not RICO https://www.popehat.com/2016/06/14/lawsplainer-its-not-rico-... (a bit salty on the language)

Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like companies are stuck in a losing game. We constantly push small companies to capture more market share. Any companies that fold during that effort, we bring out the pitchforks because the services they ran get shut off. Any companies that succeed , we bring out the pitchforks because they own too much market power. It seems a bit much that we ask for companies to constantly grow and simultaneously ensure…

> It seems a bit much that we ask for companies to constantly grow Its often brought up, that corporations and the economy have to keep growing ... but is it really necessary? Why can't both achieve some steady state equilibrium within a system of finite resources?

Short of equilibrium by government/societal-mandate, being a business and ending up in market equilibrium is really quite difficult/dangerous. You have to be in equilibrium with at least one but far more likely multiple other entities, you can't collude with them because that would itself be anti-competitive towards new entries into the market, and so you need to make new advances / optimizations at the same rate as your competition, or else one of you is going to destabilize the equilibrium.

Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

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There's a pattern here: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/30/us/politics/eric-schmidt-...

Assuming you've seen this too: https://qz.com/823922/eric-schmidt-played-a-crucial-role-in-...

Schmidt has been wading neck-deep in pulling political strings for years now... Google is evil, evil, evil.

Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

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Google hasn't been my default search engine for 6+ months. In fact the only Google things I use frequently are Android and Chromium (through Opera).

I feel better about my internet usage, and I've been having a much better experience.

Obligatory "username checks out"

Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

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Google are really shitty with their web browser especially on mobile. If you run Firefox you get a stripped down version of Google Search also with no infinite scrolling for images and low resolution. Use a user agent spoofer like this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/chrome-ua-on-... And it seems to work fine on Firefox. I'm sure their official excuse is that they only support WebKit based browsers on…

I've complained directly to Google dozens of times about this, and emailed many bloggers to talk about such a treatment. I usually heard back "but Firefox has no market share in mobile browser today". Obviously, who would use Firefox when it renders such a simple webpage so badly!

Firefox supports ad-blockers, which would certainly bring them a significant share of the browser market if it was treated fairly. Or else, Chrome mobile would have allowed ad blockers a long time ago and we would have an healthy competition.

Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

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Vivaldi CEO – “Google: it is time to return to not being evil” Me: that train has left the station. When you have monopoly power (70%-98% of market share) the governments should return Google and Whatever Corp to not being evil.

It seems like companies are stuck in a losing game. We constantly push small companies to capture more market share. Any companies that fold during that effort, we bring out the pitchforks because the services they ran get shut off. Any companies that succeed , we bring out the pitchforks because they own too much market power. It seems a bit much that we ask for companies to constantly grow and simultaneously ensure…

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Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

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YouTube website does everything to be unusable on the iPad. They don't use the default player. They won't save your settings if you use Safari. They do not allow full screen video. Even when you request the desktop site, they resist to load the video properly in first few trials. They are being as annoying as they can!
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