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Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”

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> I used to work at Sun, and the Solaris codebase is the most amazing C code I've ever worked with. I'm probably going to be accused of bias, but the Linux code is really messy compared to Solaris. Its not bias. Im a (mostly) C/C++ dev, and very curious about some open source implementations, and the Solaris C source code is the most beautiful complex C codebase i've know. Linux is what it is now, because of the amaz…

BSD guy here - My heirarchy would be more better bsd's > not as clean bsds > solaris > linux with not as clean and solaris being on roughly the same footing- much like SMF requiring XML, solaris code, while very clean, seems very overengineered and not as elegant to me. that said, i really haven't hacked enough kernel code to deserve to be commenting, so yeah..

Can you share some examples of what you consider "better bsd" and what you consider "not as clean bsd"?

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Doesn't matter, the stable interface in Linux is the syscalls, not the libc. Same goes for WSL.

Syscalls are not POSIX APIs.

POSIX and Linux are generally believed to be different entities.

Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”

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That sounds like the definition of a bribe, which is a crime. I would advise you to not make this information public or at least public under an account that can be traced back to you.

Why should he care? He didn't say he accepted the bribe, merely that it was offered.

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Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”

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> I used to work at Sun, and the Solaris codebase is the most amazing C code I've ever worked with. I'm probably going to be accused of bias, but the Linux code is really messy compared to Solaris. Its not bias. Im a (mostly) C/C++ dev, and very curious about some open source implementations, and the Solaris C source code is the most beautiful complex C codebase i've know. Linux is what it is now, because of the amaz…

BSD guy here - My heirarchy would be more better bsd's > not as clean bsds > solaris > linux with not as clean and solaris being on roughly the same footing- much like SMF requiring XML, solaris code, while very clean, seems very overengineered and not as elegant to me. that said, i really haven't hacked enough kernel code to deserve to be commenting, so yeah..

It seems as though SMF was a bit controversial in the community. I do agree that it's a bit overengineered, but on the other hand I would take SMF before systemd any day.

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You can make all these quotes, and comments, but they don’t help in the real world. If you want that every child can run linux, that you can run linux on physical Internet of Things devices that are supposed to run for decades without maintenance (because you cannot access them), then you either have to build something so this can work, or you end up with Windows 10 IoT and Windows 10 Cloud running everything. No one…

And i take it you side with John Deere...

No, I side with the KDE fraction: Everything "just works" by default, but if you want, you can configure everything, and customize everything, and change everything. But if you don’t want to, it still "just works".

And that’s exactly what systemd does. It provides a baseline that just works, but you can always dive in and modify everything.

Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”

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Sure, if you ignore the massive effort that was being invested in revamping Solaris to be more FOSS friendly and engage with the community prior to oracle's sun takeover.. I suspect if the takeover hadn't happened, the FOSS systems landscape would look a whole lot different. Like what, I don't know, but definitely different.

> I suspect if the takeover hadn't happened, the FOSS systems landscape would look a whole lot different. Like what, I don't know, but definitely different. It's possible IBM would have been a significantly better steward. Of course, it would have been hard to be a worse one.

> it would have been hard to be a worse one.

That's a bit unfair. IBM would have probably canned hardware (and hence Solaris) much earlier than Oracle did, because they already had their own offering in that space and they were as invested as Oracle in Linux (ok, they don't have their own RedHat clone, but they are definitely big on supporting Linux).

IBM was buying Sun because of Java, and planning to chuck the hardware out one way or another. Oracle bought Sun because of the hardware and basically kept everything else going, albeit in a reduced fashion where there was overlap (MySQL) or they were not interested in the niche (OpenOffice).

I think Oracle had some decent ideas and didn't execute well on them, partly because of cultural issues. I don't think IBM would have done better, certainly not on the hardware/Solaris side. They would have probably done a bit better with Java/OpenOffice but that's about it. Solaris was doomed by the Linux boom, there is very little anyone could have done about that by the time the acquisition became inevitable.

Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”

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And let me guess - the project timelines for "eventually everything will be migrated off it" run easily into seven figures of Oracle invoices? (And realistically the delays in those migration projects will mean double that gets paid to Oracle before they're completely out of your billing system?)

I don't think there's any real timeline to get rid of Oracle just that new projects won't be using it as a DB and eventually it will no longer be in use.

Like eventually nobody will be using mainframes... except they are still there, and somebody is still cashing cheques for their support.

Ironically, it's Oracle itself who is busy self-destroying. The move to cloud-based subscription services, where switching to competitors can be so much easier, looks good in the immediate but it's pulverizing their stranglehold on partner ecosystems, and making their long-term outlook more fragile.

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I've had an enterprise vendor offer to drop money into my personal account to make sales. Not naming them, but the sad thing is they actually did have the best product in their space by a long shot. The ones who sucked were probably even better at bribes.

That sounds like the definition of a bribe, which is a crime. I would advise you to not make this information public or at least public under an account that can be traced back to you.

I'm aware of this, that's why I mentioned it. I didn't accept the bribe and am happy for this to be published under my real name.

Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”

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I'm very saddened by what happens with what is left of Sun. I used to work at Sun, and the Solaris codebase is the most amazing C code I've ever worked with. I'm probably going to be accused of bias, but the Linux code is really messy compared to Solaris. Sun was already on the way down by the time I left many years ago, but what had happened since Oracle bought them has been nothing but depressing.

ZFS lives on in OpenZFS, which is where FreeBSD, Linux and other platform developers and some companies exchange their modifications of ZFS. Solaris lives on in illumos and forks of it.

OpenZFS is a joke compared to the real ZFS in Solaris. OpenZFS is so far behind Solaris ZFS in features and stability.
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