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Why should he care? He didn't say he accepted the bribe, merely that it was offered.

My company requires we need to report that stuff. Also need to take a training every year on what you can accept and what you can't.

Perhaps it was reported. He didn't specify either way, possibly for good reason.

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There is still macOS as NeXTSTEP derivative.

Mac OS X wasn't there at this time - the classic Mac OS wasn't an Unix like/derivative during the nineties.

I wrote NeXTSTEP.

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Just FOUR DAYS AGO, someone posted: >>... most of the recent innovations in Solaris's core technologies (DTrace, ZFS, Zones, etc) have all happened in illumos. > As a core Solaris dev at Oracle, I can tell you that's not true. I just can't prove it to you. :-( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15125355

Yeah, this has been a SUPER week let me tell you....

I was just remembering that we discussed this a few days ago. This really does suck, and I hope you can find some work at Nexenta or Joyent/Samsung or one of the other businesses that help develop illumos. There's a page on the illumos wiki with links to job listings: https://wiki.illumos.org/display/illumos/illumos+Jobs.

Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”

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I'm very saddened by what happens with what is left of Sun. I used to work at Sun, and the Solaris codebase is the most amazing C code I've ever worked with. I'm probably going to be accused of bias, but the Linux code is really messy compared to Solaris. Sun was already on the way down by the time I left many years ago, but what had happened since Oracle bought them has been nothing but depressing.

> Sun was already on the way down by the time I left many years ago, but what had happened since Oracle bought them has been nothing but depressing.

I wonder what this means for their big iron, such as SuperClusters? Those still run Solaris.

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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: if Oracle acquires your company GET OUT. Do not wait, bail out immediately. Oracle is expert at slowly bleeding teams while suppressing pay to milk products for all they’re worth. They are developer-hostile (including to employees). It is career death. If Oracle acquires a partner you depend on, you have 12-24 months to find an alternative before they cut your legs out from…

My company was using big machines cpq... While I personally think there are better options, the support under now "Oracle CPQ" has been considerably better, and have seen some improvements under Oracle. We are planning to move to another CPQ in the next few months, but that's not cause oracle at all or the product got worse under Oracle. But then we also use oracle DBMS part of our product, and we are moving away cau…

Which CPQ are you guys moving to? We are also looking to move off of Oracle in the next FY but have not come to a consensus.

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I can easily relate to this, started with Xenix, moved into DG-UX at university, we moved into GNU/Linux after that server eventually died, so it was mostly used of OS related classes. At work GNU/Linux was just an internal server, all real work was being done in Solaris, HP-UX and Aix servers. So fast forward to modern times and even Microsoft uses Linux kernel syscalls on their new POSIX personality subsystem, inst…

> instead of actually supporting POSIX POSIX support is in the API, not the syscalls. musl libc places great emphasis on POSIX conformance. So if you ran a musl-based distro atop WSL, that should give you what you want, or at least something closer.

Currently only Ubuntu, OpenSUSE and SLES are supported. None of them is muslc based, right?

Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”

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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: if Oracle acquires your company GET OUT. Do not wait, bail out immediately. Oracle is expert at slowly bleeding teams while suppressing pay to milk products for all they’re worth. They are developer-hostile (including to employees). It is career death. If Oracle acquires a partner you depend on, you have 12-24 months to find an alternative before they cut your legs out from…

That. I was at PeopleSoft when we got acquired by Oracle.

Went to a bunch of architecture meetings, and saw that nobody had a hint of a clue. "Project Fusion" was supposed to fix everything... As far as I know they're still working on that, some 12 years later.

Then I tried to get myself laid off; there was supposedly a list you could yourself on to be laid off with severance. After one month waiting I had enough and quit. So for one month I "worked" at Oracle. Best decision in a while.

That said, I do have some engineering friends who work at Oracle, and they generally like it, so your mileage may vary.

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I call FUD. Oracle acquired Sun in 2010 - that's seven years, and it wasn't until this past January and August that major project changes were made and large number of staff laid off. "Get out now" seems unnecessarily alarming. Also, this may vary from org to org, but our (sparc/solaris dev) laptop replacement was every three years. I'll admit that the way they've handled the recent layoffs is atrocious, with most em…

I think that Solaris and SPARC had different fates in this regard: Solaris was dead the moment they (re)closed it in 2010 -- there was simply no way that Solaris was going to survive as a proprietary operating system (the era for which had passed half a decade before). As for SPARC, Oracle does seem to have invested heavily, in part because of the elaborate self-delusion that Ellison seemed to have that he could deve…

"Do not make the mistake of anthropomorphizing Larry Ellison [or Oracle] " - Bryan Cantrill

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Every major Linux distro uses systemd. I know its opponents are vocal but a bunch of us are silently enjoying the simplicity of .service files and systemd timers.

In the meantime, a bunch of us developers are desperately trying to figure out what the fsck broke this time, drinking our sorrows about this new life where we can't debug anything that happens at boot, and frantically setting up BSDs on our laptops at home, so that we can at least get a break from this mess when we're at home. I (thankfully only) used to do Linux BSPs in a former life. In the last year or so of doin…

While I did prefer the good old SysV style init, systemd works fine for me.

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Would it have been different if any other company had bought Sun? Solaris was competing against free, without much to justify the large added cost. It's been a very long time since I heard of anyone buying new Solaris installations.

I think that would very much depend on when: Sun's primary problem was bad management so an early 2000s change might have enabled them to compete against Red Hat — treat usability as a concern, wrap all of those cool kernel features in a non-joke userland, sell support, etc. Sitting out package management for a couple decades really hurt them and that's a relatively cheap engineering commitment. It's interesting to i…

> A coworker who used to work at Sun maintains that they really needed to go private to avoid years of chaos from waves of layoffs when they were profitable but not enough to satisfy Wall Street.

It still surprises me that Dell was able to somehow go private before Wall Street killed them too.

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