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Re: Why I Quit Oracle (2010)

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Post by candiodari »

m00s3 wrote: post #16

It makes me sad that organizations like the BC Gov't bend and over and take whatever crap Oracle decides to throw at them. The amount of money and developer effort that is spent on Oracle is staggering. All because 'no one gets fired for choosing Oracle'. They are blight on the industry.

From another comment in this thread:

> He said Oracle was without a doubt the most unethical competitor they ever had. IBM had internal guidelines on acceptable limits for gifts, meals etc you could give to clients, but Oracle sales people had no such qualms and would sometimes essentially bribe VPs/whoever had the power to make the purchasing decision.

Re: Why I Quit Oracle (2010)

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Post by oraguy »

junkculture wrote: post #36
bitL wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another interesting tidbit about Oracle - if you leave as a peon and return back after a few years, you are given exactly the same conditions as you had when you left, regardless of what you did in the years in-between. Oracle doesn't care if you progressed in the meantime.

Why would anyone go back?

Because someone is incompetent?

Oracle is a safe haven for incompetent managers and so called team leads. I know a few ex-colleagues of mine who left Oracle to join other companies and were shocked to see how fast and agile other companies were.

It is not in Oracle's DNA to hold managers accountable or fire them for management blunders or shoddy management. So when some of these managers and team leads from Oracle joined other companies, they found much to their surprise that they were answerable to higher management for the state of the project they were managing. They could not keep up with the pace of development or having concrete responsibility, and returned to Oracle to live a purposeless but relaxed life where one would earn less but otherwise thrive in the company by doing little to no actual work.

Re: Why I Quit Oracle (2010)

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Post by junkculture »

oraguy wrote: post #52
junkculture wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would anyone go back?

Because someone is incompetent? Oracle is a safe haven for incompetent managers and so called team leads. I know a few ex-colleagues of mine who left Oracle to join other companies and were shocked to see how fast and agile other companies were. It is not in Oracle's DNA to hold managers accountable or fire them for management blunders or shoddy management. So when some of these managers and team leads from Oracle jo…

That's pretty much what happens to de facto monopolies.

I've heard much the same about Microsoft's program managers.

Re: Why I Quit Oracle (2010)

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Post by sqlminus »

KKKKkkkk1 wrote: post #5

> And the micromanagement Gosling says he felt may have been less of an issue at IBM. Specifically, Gosling says he felt the hand of Larry Ellison in nearly all the decisions affecting Java. Certainly IBM Chairman and CEO Sam Palmisano would not personally get his hands into the goings on with an acquisition, even a key one like Sun. But then IBM is not the house that Sam built like Oracle is Ellison's creation. Ther…

The entire Oracle leadership is full of narcissistic and technically incompetent leaders. Take for example, this article that for some reason glorifies profanity in business meetings.

http://www.businessinsider.com/oracles-thomas-kurian-has-int...

The leader here, who is known as TK internally, is known for being abusive and profane to his team. In my 5 years at Oracle, I have not met a single developer who respected TK. He was unanimously hated by all his developers. The general opinion among developers is, "This guy tries to be like Bill Gates, but come on, has he done anything in his life beyond managing supply chain management solutions?"

Yet, this guy is glorified within Oracle, just because Larry Ellison likes him. It is really a situation of one man versus all, where the one man is winning due to an intricately established bureaucracy over decades that cannot be unsettled anymore.

Re: Why I Quit Oracle (2010)

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Post by oraguy »

smegel wrote: post #9
quuquuquu wrote: post #3

I worked at Oracle until very recently. They are a rent-seeking, lawsuit-heavy cancer upon this Earth. Oracle routinely sues its own employees. Oracle routinely moves to stamp out innovation. Oracle's stock price has increased over the past decade, but only from acquisition and price-gouging large corporations and agencies. It is a racket. Working at Oracle is the antithesis of creating fun and useful software for ev…

> Oracle routinely sues its own employees. For what?

I am sure there are many stories where Oracle sues its employees. Take a look at this one for example.

* http://bangaloremirror.indiatimes.com/bangalore/cover-story/...

* http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnatak...

TL;DR - An employee found fire safety violations in one of its Bangalore offices. He reported the violations internally. Nobody addressed the violations. He reported the violations to the cops. Oracle sacked and sued the employee.

Re: Why I Quit Oracle (2010)

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Post by fred_is_fred »

bitL wrote: post #28
lobster_johnson wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by "cursed"?

Scott McNealy blamed SUN's misfortune on moving to a former psychiatric ward in Santa Clara - it coincides with SUN's loss of luck (and some directors really believed the building was cursed). Also, business-wide there is a known "headquarters curse", when a company feels it needs to have a more representative HQ. Let's see what it does to Apple.

I think the failure has more to do with leaders who believe in curses than actual curses.

Re: Why I Quit Oracle (2010)

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Post by quuquuquu »

0xbear wrote: post #41
quuquuquu wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is there a class action lawsuit on TV telling me that people who are exposed to it have higher rates of cancer?

Protip: don't believe everything you see on TV.

Allow me to remix my earlier statements:

While not scientifically proven, the State of California currently classifies RoundUp as "probably carcinogenic".

More than 800 cancer patients have joined the lawsuit against Monsanto.

I don't know about you, but being exposed, for years and years, to something that requires a mask to administer. Hmmm gonna have to go with "more cancerous than a banana".

Re: Why I Quit Oracle (2010)

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Post by quuquuquu »

oraguy wrote: post #56
smegel wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Oracle routinely sues its own employees. For what?

I am sure there are many stories where Oracle sues its employees. Take a look at this one for example. * http://bangaloremirror.indiatimes.com/bangalore/cover-story/... * http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnatak... TL;DR - An employee found fire safety violations in one of its Bangalore offices. He reported the violations internally. Nobody addressed the violations. He reported the violations to t…

Pitiful.

Oracle India was even worse than Oracle. I truly feel terribly for the exploited workes there. You all had it way way worse than us.

Re: Why I Quit Oracle (2010)

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Post by samoright »

quuquuquu wrote: post #59
oraguy wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am sure there are many stories where Oracle sues its employees. Take a look at this one for example. * http://bangaloremirror.indiatimes.com/bangalore/cover-story/... * http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnatak... TL;DR - An employee found fire safety violations in one of its Bangalore offices. He reported the violations internally. Nobody addressed the violations. He reported the violations to t…

Pitiful. Oracle India was even worse than Oracle. I truly feel terribly for the exploited workes there. You all had it way way worse than us.

Can you share some anecdotes that make you think that Oracle India had it way way worse than the Oracle US counterparts?
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