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Re: San Diego Declares Health Emergency Amid Hepatitis A Outbreak

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Post by ubernostrum »

ams6110 wrote: post #9
bluejekyll wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basic income, basic housing, basic food, basic education, basic healthcare? Seems like we need to address all of these issues. Literally the only institutions that provide all of these things are jails, which many homeless attempt to get into.

Not true at all. These things are all provided. Welfare, public housing, food stamps, public education, Medicaid. That we still have a homeless problem indicates that the reason for long-term homelessness is something else.

All the programs you named are chronically underfunded and subject to restrictions and red tape designed to force people to jump through many hoops to prove they "deserve" help. And there is a nasty history of attitudes among those in power as to what kind of people "deserve" help and what kind of people don't.

Well-funded truly universal (i.e., every citizen is automatically eligible and automatically presumed eligible by the administering agency) have not been tried in the US.

Re: San Diego Declares Health Emergency Amid Hepatitis A Outbreak

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Post by [deleted] »

bluejekyll wrote: post #6
curun1r wrote: post #3

It's way past time that we start dealing with homelessness as the national problem it is rather than leaving it to cities who are ill-equipped to deal with it. Cities like San Diego only have homelessness problems because they have weather that's amenable to living outdoors. The vast majority of their homeless population was born elsewhere. It's unconscionable that we leave the job of providing services for these peo…

Basic income, basic housing, basic food, basic education, basic healthcare? Seems like we need to address all of these issues. Literally the only institutions that provide all of these things are jails, which many homeless attempt to get into.

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Re: San Diego Declares Health Emergency Amid Hepatitis A Outbreak

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Post by hueving »

Mz wrote: post #10
ams6110 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not true at all. These things are all provided. Welfare, public housing, food stamps, public education, Medicaid. That we still have a homeless problem indicates that the reason for long-term homelessness is something else.

There is a really huge shortage of genuinely affordable housing in the US. Public housing is generally pretty crappy and in short supply to boot. Having studied the problem in an actual college class and also spent the last 5.5 years on the street: It's complicated. But we need more solutions for people and fewer aimed at poor people specifically. Programs to help the poor are routinely craptastic. Affordable housing…

>There is a really huge shortage of genuinely affordable housing in the US. Public housing is generally pretty crappy and in short supply to boot.

This is disingenuous, the housing shortages are all in the highly desirable locations like the SFO, LAX, NYC, etc. There is no housing shortage in the vast majority of the country (look at Detroit).

It's completely unsustainable to try to support a model where anyone should be able to live in whatever city they choose for an extremely low cost.

Re: San Diego Declares Health Emergency Amid Hepatitis A Outbreak

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Post by laurencerowe »

curun1r wrote: post #3

It's way past time that we start dealing with homelessness as the national problem it is rather than leaving it to cities who are ill-equipped to deal with it. Cities like San Diego only have homelessness problems because they have weather that's amenable to living outdoors. The vast majority of their homeless population was born elsewhere. It's unconscionable that we leave the job of providing services for these peo…

The same is said of San Francisco, but it's just not accurate: "The majority - 71 percent in the last count - became homeless while living in San Francisco."

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Questions-about-San-Franc...

Despite being one of the richest places in the world, California does a terrible job at providing affordable housing and accessible mental health care for its residents. This lack of provision is a result of the choices Californians have made.

Re: San Diego Declares Health Emergency Amid Hepatitis A Outbreak

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Post by mobilefriendly »

Mz wrote: post #10
ams6110 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not true at all. These things are all provided. Welfare, public housing, food stamps, public education, Medicaid. That we still have a homeless problem indicates that the reason for long-term homelessness is something else.

There is a really huge shortage of genuinely affordable housing in the US. Public housing is generally pretty crappy and in short supply to boot. Having studied the problem in an actual college class and also spent the last 5.5 years on the street: It's complicated. But we need more solutions for people and fewer aimed at poor people specifically. Programs to help the poor are routinely craptastic. Affordable housing…

We have Single Payer for the poor and near-poor (Medicaid covers 1 in 5 Americans) and the U.S. government spends a couple hundred billion dollars a year on housing subsidies (directly and through the tax code and through subsidies in the mortgage market). Most federal public housing is privately administered through public vouchers to landlords and non-profits.

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Post by thebooktocome »

hueving wrote: post #13
Mz wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a really huge shortage of genuinely affordable housing in the US. Public housing is generally pretty crappy and in short supply to boot. Having studied the problem in an actual college class and also spent the last 5.5 years on the street: It's complicated. But we need more solutions for people and fewer aimed at poor people specifically. Programs to help the poor are routinely craptastic. Affordable housing…

>There is a really huge shortage of genuinely affordable housing in the US. Public housing is generally pretty crappy and in short supply to boot. This is disingenuous, the housing shortages are all in the highly desirable locations like the SFO, LAX, NYC, etc. There is no housing shortage in the vast majority of the country (look at Detroit). It's completely unsustainable to try to support a model where anyone shoul…

Follow this line of thought long enough, and you get to a hukou system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hukou_system

Re: San Diego Declares Health Emergency Amid Hepatitis A Outbreak

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Post by mobilefriendly »

curun1r wrote: post #3

It's way past time that we start dealing with homelessness as the national problem it is rather than leaving it to cities who are ill-equipped to deal with it. Cities like San Diego only have homelessness problems because they have weather that's amenable to living outdoors. The vast majority of their homeless population was born elsewhere. It's unconscionable that we leave the job of providing services for these peo…

It isn't a national problem, it is a local one and almost entirely the result of local zoning and drug addict/mental health outreach strategies. San Diego has a homeless population of 14,000 out of a population of 3.3 million. Even the locals are saying the problem is strategy and leadership, not resources. http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/columnists/dan-...

Re: San Diego Declares Health Emergency Amid Hepatitis A Outbreak

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Post by EGreg »

thebooktocome wrote: post #16
hueving wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There is a really huge shortage of genuinely affordable housing in the US. Public housing is generally pretty crappy and in short supply to boot. This is disingenuous, the housing shortages are all in the highly desirable locations like the SFO, LAX, NYC, etc. There is no housing shortage in the vast majority of the country (look at Detroit). It's completely unsustainable to try to support a model where anyone shoul…

Follow this line of thought long enough, and you get to a hukou system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hukou_system

Is that good or bad?

Listen, I support single payer systems, but how do they figure out how much to pay in each region? Same question for UBI.

I have come to believe that UBI and all other safety nets have to come with immigration requirements. Not just everyone is going to be accepted to live among rich billionaires without concern for running out of money. And so on in every neighborhood.

Thus, UBI needs for each area needs to be tied in with community membership, and be based on the Consumer Price Index in that area.

Communities can open themselves up to more people from time to time.

Re: San Diego Declares Health Emergency Amid Hepatitis A Outbreak

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Post by EGreg »

Mz wrote: post #10
ams6110 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not true at all. These things are all provided. Welfare, public housing, food stamps, public education, Medicaid. That we still have a homeless problem indicates that the reason for long-term homelessness is something else.

There is a really huge shortage of genuinely affordable housing in the US. Public housing is generally pretty crappy and in short supply to boot. Having studied the problem in an actual college class and also spent the last 5.5 years on the street: It's complicated. But we need more solutions for people and fewer aimed at poor people specifically. Programs to help the poor are routinely craptastic. Affordable housing…

Yes but costs vary from neighborhood to neighborhood. How do you determine how much to pay the doctors and who gets to live where? Obviously not every homeless can move into Beverly Hills tomorrow.

Re: San Diego Declares Health Emergency Amid Hepatitis A Outbreak

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Post by [deleted] »

hueving wrote: post #13
Mz wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a really huge shortage of genuinely affordable housing in the US. Public housing is generally pretty crappy and in short supply to boot. Having studied the problem in an actual college class and also spent the last 5.5 years on the street: It's complicated. But we need more solutions for people and fewer aimed at poor people specifically. Programs to help the poor are routinely craptastic. Affordable housing…

>There is a really huge shortage of genuinely affordable housing in the US. Public housing is generally pretty crappy and in short supply to boot. This is disingenuous, the housing shortages are all in the highly desirable locations like the SFO, LAX, NYC, etc. There is no housing shortage in the vast majority of the country (look at Detroit). It's completely unsustainable to try to support a model where anyone shoul…

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