This is a very good overview of bad anti-consumer practices Intel has done throughout the last 30 years: https://youtu.be/osSMJRyxG0k
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You're not really being fair on Nokia or BB; Nokia had an iPhone competitor when they added phone functionality to their Maemo 'Internet Tablet' OS in 2009, creating the N900. Sadly it had to compete with another in-house project to add multi-touch and HW acceleration to Symbian. After Nokia announced the merger of Maemo with MeeGo, they were unable to forge a clear way forward for their smartphones ever again. Black…
The n900 had a resistive touch screen. That by itself is sufficient to disqualify it as a modern smartphone.
A really good resistive screen, probably the best put on any phone. For 2009 it was perfectly usable.
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#154In an interesting (to me at least) move intel instead of competing on price when AMD put out a competitive offering they decided to keep prices the same more or less or increase them by adding value. Faster AVX units, more cores, more SKUs (not sure about that last one). And while intel has margins to maintain AMD has put features into their chips for years. For example AES has been shipping in most every desktop and…
I suspect Intel is not too worried about AMD because they've seen this script before. When AMD's Opteron server CPUs came out they offered vastly superior performance and scaleability compared to contemporary Xeons. Even with a clear technical advantage, AMD never came close to matching Intel's volume in the server market. Today, AMD's Eypc CPUs are a much closer match to their Xeon competitors than Opteron was. So i…
There are few things at play. And this time is a little different.
1. Opteron in the early 2003 to 2004 did have a good run. It forced Intel to lower prices as well as using dirty tactics to compete. Let's not forget Opteron was AMD first entry into Server market. AMD then failed to execute after that.
2. Software compatibility was a thing, and may still be a thing judging by the comments here. But remember Datacentre is now largely dominated by Cloud and Web Host Providers, and most of them depends on Open Sources Software. All of a sudden, Google Amazon and Microsoft have incentives to improve software compatibility, if there is such problem exist.
3. IO compatibility / performance used be a problem for AMD. I am surprised it is not mentioned anywhere. Intel has the best IO ever with their Chipset. From PCI-E, SATA, AGP etc. But now none of these IO implementation are secrets anymore. Thanks to the SoC IP industry you can get the best and leverage the battle tested IP from other vendors. And not to mention the really only IO left is PCI-E. Which is very well defined.
I expect there will be lots of interest to test out EPYC, but the real volume will be Zen 2, when the industry has settled on EPYC being good enough. And I cant wait to see how Intel would react, after all if you look at their recent management teams changes it seems they dont have a clue what they are doing.
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yep, I've seen that, too. There are some use cases where IBM still excels. There is a popular perception that IBM is a has-been dinosaur, especially with the System z (mainframe) stuff, but I still haven't heard that Visa International has moved even one of their three world-wide super data centers off of that platform. The Linux world could avoid reinventing a lot of wheels in the future looking to the lessons IBM h…
I find sad that many aren't aware how many cool features are available in IBM and Unisys mainframes, still not available in mainstream computing. The AS/400 (IBM i) and ClearPath are my favourites. One with its TIMI architecture and kernel level JIT, the other with an history going back to the 60's using an almost memory safe systems programming language, while people are still debating how to replace C.
Is there an article that compares the features present in Power vs x86 and this almost memory safe language?
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One thing missing from the comparison to IBM and Sun is that precisely because those companies made things so expensive people started looking for alternatives. The ES/9000's were really good machines for the time. Had IBM not raped people on those, companies might have stuck with them for a little longer. The AS/400 was priced more reasonably and people loved those. You couldn't get someone with an AS/400 to move to…
"raped" is not an appropriate word to use in the context of this discussion. Please try to be more considerate.
Dipshits like you are the reason why a word from 1563 which has no relation to a similar sounding pejorative can't be used in modern parlance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_%...
As such, I feel no need to censor my language to meet your lack of understanding--to paraphrase Julian Bond, the chairman of the NAACP.
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Now is the only time you can charge premium for new chips. Nobody will pay that in a year or two. In five years it's on Craigslist, and in ten, it's ancient crap you find on motherboards pulled from machines thrown into the dumpster.
Hey, my 2003 iMac still works as a great dns resolver. Of course so does a $5 raspberry pi.
There's also the huge difference in power consumption.
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#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
One thing missing from the comparison to IBM and Sun is that precisely because those companies made things so expensive people started looking for alternatives. The ES/9000's were really good machines for the time. Had IBM not raped people on those, companies might have stuck with them for a little longer. The AS/400 was priced more reasonably and people loved those. You couldn't get someone with an AS/400 to move to…
Using 'rape' like that isn't cool.