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Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”

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ORA is the elephant's graveyard of software. Once something gets bought by them, you know it is done. Slowly, but surely. They perform a function akin to the maggots that destroy cadavers in nature. Part of the overall ecosystem. ORA stopped being a tech co a while ago, now it is a finance play. Use cash to buy a business for its locked in customers, gut it to squeeze max money out of it until last customer is gone.…

CenturyLink does this too - they're a tech holding company who buys and sells companies (Level3, Tier3, Savvis, Cyxtera, Electricbox, etc) in order to reap M&A tax benefits while squeezing the engineers. Of course, these businesses don't make enough money to cover the massive shareholder draw, so it's all a stage play to convince Wells Fargo to loan them enough to pay those dividends. It's an untenable and irrational…

> order to reap M&A tax benefits while squeezing the engineers.

This is true also of companies that are taken over by private equity firms, although that is probably common knowledge by now. e.g. every single one in my team at Rackspace has left for a different role (all at different companies, all at different times) after being acquired by PE firm.

Sometimes I wonder how the engineers can't see this coming. Sure there are cost savings to be made by streamlining product offerings, cutting the "recreational budget" etc (i.e. money for office parties). But the biggest cost center for tech companies are its employees (probably that and real estate).

Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”

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> Never understood why they loved it. Expensive parties, gifts etc

I've had an enterprise vendor offer to drop money into my personal account to make sales. Not naming them, but the sad thing is they actually did have the best product in their space by a long shot. The ones who sucked were probably even better at bribes.

That sounds like the definition of a bribe, which is a crime. I would advise you to not make this information public or at least public under an account that can be traced back to you.

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I've had an enterprise vendor offer to drop money into my personal account to make sales. Not naming them, but the sad thing is they actually did have the best product in their space by a long shot. The ones who sucked were probably even better at bribes.

That sounds like the definition of a bribe, which is a crime. I would advise you to not make this information public or at least public under an account that can be traced back to you.

Why should he care? He didn't say he accepted the bribe, merely that it was offered.

Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”

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Honestly the fact that this can happen seems like a better reason to stay away from proprietary software than any other reason. Even software that is open source but owned by some company.

On a not completely unrelated note, there was something I read in the Kubernetes Steering Committee bootstrapping process that sounds really logical in the context of this news.

In Kubernetes Steering Committee, there will be no more than 33% membership from any given company. So if Docker, and CoreOS, and Weave, and Google, and Microsoft, and Amazon all come to the table and somehow get equal representation, which seems possible given how I understand the voting process, ... that's great, and no one company can "silent EOL" the product of Kubernetes.

And even if one of those companies is significantly over-represented within the list of members of standing that will vote for the Steering Committee members, and the second of those companies significantly eclipses any of the remaining nominees, the steering committee will still probably be in the hands of at least 4 companies.

I'm really quite miffed about a few well-liked community driven things, suddenly getting shut down by ownership lately. Not going to name any names, but in meetings to determine our organization's future direction in software, it's going to have to come to everyone's attention that in general overall momentum is a whole lot more important than corporate backing.

Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”

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> Never understood why they loved it. Expensive parties, gifts etc

I've had an enterprise vendor offer to drop money into my personal account to make sales. Not naming them, but the sad thing is they actually did have the best product in their space by a long shot. The ones who sucked were probably even better at bribes.

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Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”

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> but what had happened since Oracle bought them has been nothing but depressing Oracle is nothing but a cancer. Everything they touch turn into goo. This is not the first company to be killed by Oracle acquisition. And not the last. And don't let me started on the ridiculous range-check trial: this sums up the disgusting state this company has fallen into.

At this rate Oracle is going to be the next Yahoo.

With the _big_ difference that Oracle are _really_ good at writing invoices and cashing big cheques...

All of the really talented Oracle people I know are enterprise sales people, and they're _really_ good. All the good tech people I know "joined" via acquisition and jumped ship as soon as financially sensible.

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No. Oracle is mainly B2B, and executives love Oracle solutions.

Never understood why they loved it. Is it just so they can say "not my fault, our project is only using big name frameworks, DBs, etc so I did all I could?" Or is it because they don't even begin to understand what's going on in the tech scene and just buy what appears to be the most shiny, expensive solutions?

Great salespeople. Like _really_ good. (Often borderline or unequivocally evil... As other comments in this thread show.)

Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”

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That's a lot of very highly skilled staff which they won't be able to reassemble for another product or project for years. Those people will scatter to the winds now. It's a shame they lacked the imagination to make them do something new. But then Oracle doesn't seem to have the organizational capability to start major new successful product lines anymore. They grow through acquisition.

I think most of the folks able to work on something different left a while ago. I am sure working on Solaris support at Oracle they saw the writing on the wall. Also, some of those "firings" come with a decent chunk of money; maybe some of the folks who stayed made a rational choice of waiting until fired, then will move to a prearranged job somewhere else.

Anyone still left is likely far too comfortable working on Solaris, not really interested in working on something different or like you said they would have left.

Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”

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At this rate Oracle is going to be the next Yahoo.

With the _big_ difference that Oracle are _really_ good at writing invoices and cashing big cheques... All of the really talented Oracle people I know are enterprise sales people, and they're _really_ good. All the good tech people I know "joined" via acquisition and jumped ship as soon as financially sensible.

I'm surprised companies still buy Oracle software, I figured that they were only in business because of Vendor lock in from governments and large corporations.
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