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Re: Juicero Is Shutting Down

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Post by Grustaf »

fish_fan wrote: post #303
eh78ssxv2f wrote: post #285

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> I wouldn't want to have my oven on when I am not home- it might just be me but it seems dangerous to leave a hot oven unattended. Well, then you are in the market for an IoT oven that is connected to your phone and car. A device that can continuously track your phone and car location, and turn off the networked oven if you are outside the house.

Is there large demand for this? I just cook when I'm home and ensure to turn the oven off when I'm done. I'm sure there are people out there who appreciate the automation, but a) how many and b) how much would they pay for it?

C) it only makes sense if your habits are completely predictable, like cooking food 15 minutes after leaving work or something.

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Post by Grustaf »

mgkimsal wrote: post #158
compiler-guy wrote: post #102

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I don't want any appliance like that either, and I find the Kuerig coffee maker appalling. That said, Kuerig sells many of their machines, and many people like and use them. That fact is very strong evidence that there is a strong market for this type of product if it is done correctly. In other words, people do want this kind of product.

At the right price point, probably. On demand juice for $2-$3/serving? Nope. We use kcups at the coworking space here, and at 30-35c, they're worth the convenience. 60c? $1? Nope - we'll just brew a big pot. But... we can get kcups from dozens of vendors with various flavors and price points. If a juicer machine had low price points (original machine and packs) that were available from multiple vendors... yeah, I'd g…

If you like keurig enough to drink it, why wouldn't you pay a dollar a cup? It's still a fraction of coffee house prices, even for takeaway.

Re: Juicero Is Shutting Down

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Post by flyinghamster »

linker3000 wrote: post #349
wlievens wrote: post #337

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Of those, only real time energy usage monitoring is really interesting, I think.

I bought an 'Owl' energy clamp and display from the discount bin at a local hardware store - about £13 ISTR. I made a copy of the rflink (Arduino-based 433MHz rf sniffer/decoder: https://diyprojects.io/how-build-rflink-433mhz-radio-home-ga... - about £20 including ESP8266 wifi link) that decodes the signal from the Owl, my wireless doorbell and that of an outdoor temp/humidity sensor (£6 from Banggood). The board can…

For me, the IoT takeaway is, if you want to be able to trust it, you need to do it yourself. Commercial products seem to always want to sell your data to the highest bidder, aside from the potential firmware security problems.

At least with the Pi, Arduino, etc., you can control what your Things are doing, and have reasonable assurance they aren't doing things behind your back.

I have a Pi graphing outdoor and basement temperature and humidity using rtl433, MRTG, and some scripts, picking up the signals from existing temperature monitors. It's quite a surprise to see how much else is on 433 MHz in my neighborhood, even when using the stubby magnetic mount antenna that came with the RTL-SDR dongle.

Re: Juicero Is Shutting Down

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Post by Grustaf »

FICO wrote: post #373
abpavel wrote: post #331

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If it's Internet-connected, it might not squeeze without an approved API call from the vendor.

Yes, absolutely, but it can be gutted for parts or rewired to bypass the API. The latter is not straightforward but someone did so in a video posted in these comments.

They might remove the drm as a final act of goodwill

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Post by cantstop99 »

bane wrote: post #229
johnhenry wrote: post #205

I simply do not understand the mindset of silicon valley investors. I used to think that perhaps they had some edge that helped them to get behind successful companies, but looking at this -- how much money they raised and from whom -- I think that there are just a bunch of people who have so much money that they can afford to risk throwing it away on something that will not likely succeed. Can someone watch the vide…

I think what makes it frustrating is all the times people with honest good ideas walk out of investor meetings with nothing but empty promises. There doesn't appear to be any specific meritocracy or guidelines in the venture market, not even a chance to make money!

Huh, it's almost like it's not a meritocracy at all!

Re: Juicero Is Shutting Down

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Post by jjeaff »

allenz wrote: post #327
gehwartzen wrote: post #307

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I must be the completely wrong target consumer but I just see so little value in all of this to warent any expense and security risk of the appliances being networked. Oven preheating: takes 15 minutes when I get home barely enough time to prepare whatever I'm putting in there. Loud dry/dishes alerts: I don't see how it's useful. If I'm not home it doesn't matter to me if the laundry or dishes are done or not as I ca…

While each little piece isn't very impressive, taken together I think it makes life significantly more convenient, anticipating your every need. The promise of IoT is that everything "just works", like magic. It's like having a personal butler.

I agree with this sentiment. I made the decision a few years ago to try and automate away the little things.

And I am surprised how often I actually use little things like adjusting the lighting, finding my phone or keys, or even raising and lowering blinds.

Just yelling, "Alexa, turn off all the lights" as I walk out the door, or "Alexa, set the house temperature to 72" as I lay down for bed has really cut out a lot of fastidious things that by themselves doesn't matter much, but added up use a surprising amount of time.

Saying, "why would I want something to do x or y?" Sounds just like people I remember back in the 90s that said, why would I want email when I can just call? And then, why would I use text messaging when I can just email...

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Post by jpetso »

FICO wrote: post #374
distances wrote: post #367

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Excuse my ignorance, but I've never heard or fridges having filters. What are they used for?

The air filter- It's just an electronic version of putting a box of baking soda in the fridge. See the video I posted in the comment you are replying to, its from the manufacturer and shows the setup. The water filter- My fridge makes ice and dispenses cold water from one of the doors. This mechanism has a water filter.

In all my 34 years so far, I've never had the desire to have my fridge conditioned in baking soda. Sometimes I feel like manufacturers really just introduce stuff to make life more complicated (and sell supplies regularly), then afterwards come up with an IoT solution for a problem that I shouldn't have had in the first place.

Re: Juicero Is Shutting Down

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Post by jpetso »

fish_fan wrote: post #303
eh78ssxv2f wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wouldn't want to have my oven on when I am not home- it might just be me but it seems dangerous to leave a hot oven unattended. Well, then you are in the market for an IoT oven that is connected to your phone and car. A device that can continuously track your phone and car location, and turn off the networked oven if you are outside the house.

Is there large demand for this? I just cook when I'm home and ensure to turn the oven off when I'm done. I'm sure there are people out there who appreciate the automation, but a) how many and b) how much would they pay for it?

Ask not how much customers are willing to pay for it, ask instead how much data collection companies are willing to pay for customer data.

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Post by unclebucknasty »

grogenaut wrote: post #316
Justin_K wrote: post #185

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Once you cut open fruit and vegetables, the elements and bacteria are introduced and they start to break down.

ggggp's whole point was it was going to compete with fresh squeezed. this whole discussion is how this isn't "fresh" in anyway. Unless FOJC is also fresh.

FOJC. Blech. I remember first trying Tropicana Pure Premium probably 2+ decades ago now. It was awesome. Tasted like pure juice from an orange.

I don't drink OJ much anymore, but a couple of years ago I had some Pure Premium and noticed that it really tasted a lot more like concentrate than I'd remembered--it had that kind of acidic/slightly artificial taste.

So, I did a little digging and found that it is now run through a process called "deaeration". Apparently, this is well-known and the subject of controversy. The short is that they take the oxygen out, pasteurize it, and store it in massive tanks. Problem with that is that it loses its flavor. So, they add "flavor packets" before packaging it.

It's amazing that they can still call it 100% juice. Then again, it's somehow legal to say that a carton "contains 100% juice" simply because at some point some measure of 100% juice was poured in, even if the total juice ratio ends up being 2% when other ingredients are subsequently added.

OJ is a scam from start to finish: from the ridiculous claims about its healthfulness; to the slightly-shrinking packages, designed to look the same standard sizes; to what they dub 100% pure squeezed juice.

Re: Juicero Is Shutting Down

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Post by zemnl »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #60
jpao79 wrote: post #19

I think they went about getting to market wrong. They should not have targeted end consumers with their equipment. They should have went after the convenience store market using the soda dispenser/automated latte/vending machine/icee making business model. Basically convince the store owner to have some refrigerated space dedicated to the pouches and then put the machine nearby for the customer to make their own juic…

They should have started with something that actually used the press. Who wouldn't want fresh olive oil?

> Who wouldn't want fresh olive oil?

Good idea but I don't think it's that easy: the extraction of olive oil is not a simple matter of pressing olives until the oil comes out, but a long process with multiple steps [1] that I doubt they could been done by a press that is relatively simple as/as big as Juicero (as it can be seen by the cons in the two methods for the extraction that are listed on wiki).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_oil_extraction

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