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WhatsApp Cofounder on How It Reached 1.3B Users Without Losing Its Focus

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Re: WhatsApp Cofounder on How It Reached 1.3B Users Without Losing Its Focus

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Which is cool in itself. What is deeply regrettable is the fact that they ended up selling to Facebook and thereby contributing to Facebook's aggressive and relentless mass surveillance system.

I wonder if they also cut themselves a raw deal in selling. They could have built a whole platform on top of WhatsApp without any innovation more subtle than copying WeChat.

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Why do we adhere to the assumption that number of users is the ultimate metric of software success? I would like to hear from devs who aren't interested in expanding for the sake of expanding, who still consider their apps to be very successful.

You should read Basecamp's material then.

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The messaging app no one uses in Asia?

Are you serious? Everyone and their grandma in India uses WhatsApp. It's so pervasive that it's almost like the only means of communication for people with smartphone and internet access.

Whatsapp is no 1 market share in every country. If not no 1, only lost from wechat

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> seemingly unlimited amount of capital Did they burn through lots of money? > no immediate pressure to turn _any_ revenue/profit Didn't some people pay for it?

They lost something close to $138MM the year before Facebook purchased them. https://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/dealbook/2014/10/28/faceboo...

I'm a philistine, can someone explain how they paid their engineers when they lost SO much money?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They lost something close to $138MM the year before Facebook purchased them. https://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/dealbook/2014/10/28/faceboo...

I'm a philistine, can someone explain how they paid their engineers when they lost SO much money?

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It's super easy to focus on a single metric (user growth) when you have a seemingly unlimited amount of capital and have no immediate pressure to turn _any_ revenue/profit. This article does a massive disservice to those who are not as fortunate who will inevitably be lead into failure. Note, this should not discredit the more interesting and glorified aspects of WhatsApp (strong leadership, technical aptitude, tech…

> seemingly unlimited amount of capital Did they burn through lots of money? > no immediate pressure to turn _any_ revenue/profit Didn't some people pay for it?

They didn't burn through lots of money at all based on facebook financials. And they charge $1/month for the app (although I don't think on all platforms). I don't recall if it was + or -, but their "profitability" was less than $10 million in either direction so they weren't making or losing a ton.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They lost something close to $138MM the year before Facebook purchased them. https://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/dealbook/2014/10/28/faceboo...

I'm a philistine, can someone explain how they paid their engineers when they lost SO much money?

They didn't lose SO MUCH MONEY, that's the thing. The article link points that out. They "lost" money on paper by handing out stock/equity to attract talent. Their actual financials, while underwhelming, looked solid.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you serious? Everyone and their grandma in India uses WhatsApp. It's so pervasive that it's almost like the only means of communication for people with smartphone and internet access.

Whatsapp is no 1 market share in every country. If not no 1, only lost from wechat

WhatsApp is #1 in 55% of countries. It loses out to Zalo, Line, imo, Facebook Messenger and Blackberry Messenger in various countries.

I'm pretty sure you made up every claim you just wrote. Why would you bother doing that?

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I think i see a pattern:

WhatsApp: circumvent cellphone texting charges

Airbnb: circumvent hotel laws

Uber: circumvent taxi laws

Amazon: circumvent state taxes

Facebook: circumvent people's anonymity online

Google: circumvent copyrights (take people's content slap on ads)

Re: WhatsApp Cofounder on How It Reached 1.3B Users Without Losing Its Focus

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you serious? Everyone and their grandma in India uses WhatsApp. It's so pervasive that it's almost like the only means of communication for people with smartphone and internet access.

Whatsapp is no 1 market share in every country. If not no 1, only lost from wechat

While I agree that Whatsapp is the dominant chat app in Asia, it's not number 1 everywhere.

Notably - as you mentioned - Wechat in China, but also Kakao in Korea, Zalo in Vietnam and Line in Japan and Taiwan, where very few people use Whatsapp.

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