sigh
Sad to see the loss of diversity in the operating system space. Thank you SunOS & Solaris for all the goodies over the years - Zones, ZFS, NFS, AutoFS, dtrace, etc.
“Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”
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Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”
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> You need billions and billions of dollars to keep such project alive. Makes you wonder where Linus stores his old socks.
Oh you seriously believe linux is not where it is due to huge sums from intel,samsung,red hat and countless of others ? Please...
yeah actually.
Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”
#93I'm very saddened by what happens with what is left of Sun. I used to work at Sun, and the Solaris codebase is the most amazing C code I've ever worked with. I'm probably going to be accused of bias, but the Linux code is really messy compared to Solaris. Sun was already on the way down by the time I left many years ago, but what had happened since Oracle bought them has been nothing but depressing.
Would it have been different if any other company had bought Sun? Solaris was competing against free, without much to justify the large added cost. It's been a very long time since I heard of anyone buying new Solaris installations.
I always thought IBM would be the most fitting company to buy Sun.
Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”
#94sigh Sad to see the loss of diversity in the operating system space. Thank you SunOS & Solaris for all the goodies over the years - Zones, ZFS, NFS, AutoFS, dtrace, etc.
All of that lives on with Illumos and SmartOS and companies like Joyent. You can even run Ubuntu inside a zone.
But such reactions happening now seem to indicate that people missed the attempted reproprietarization of OpenSolaris or at least missed out on marketing for the successors? Well here's what I see as kind of the canonical video detailing everything up to that drama point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc As far as I understand it Oracle has been pretty irrelevant for things to do with Solaris since then.
Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”
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Is open-sourcing a codebase for an abandoned product somehow expensive or complicated? Are there legal or accounting issues? If not, it seems like buying a bit of good-will for the price of a bit of paperwork would be a useful investment.
Legal concerns: do we really own this code? If there is code in there that turns out to be copy-pasted from somewhere else, open sourcing makes it more likely that people will find it. That could be expensive (e.g. when some BigCo owns the copyright on code they have been selling for decades) and/or have even more serious consequences (e.g. when there's a GPL-licensed code fragment in there, and they linked it with a…
That's the problem James Gosling encountered trying to convince Sun to release the NeWS source code for free. Parts of it like the font rendering code were owned by AT&T and other companies.
Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”
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Is open-sourcing a codebase for an abandoned product somehow expensive or complicated? Are there legal or accounting issues? If not, it seems like buying a bit of good-will for the price of a bit of paperwork would be a useful investment.
All we need is the trademark for Solaris, so that illumos can use its historical name. This should be much easier.
While they're at it, Oracle should free the Sun logo too! I imagine they have the poor thing locked up in a vault somewhere.
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I have worked in Oracle for 2 years and I have worked at other Fortune 500 companies. Oracle, by far, is the most soulless and lethargic company among all of them.
Lethargic? How so? How did they become so - because they live off of the support portion of the Enterprise Oracle licenses?
It's the lethargic "itis" a tick or mosquito or lamprey feels after sucking your blood.
Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”
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I don't understand the negativity towards using consultants and off-shoring. Using consultants is a business decision which helps the company hire people for the short term of the project and also offload risk. Not all companies have the capability to handle all kinds of risk. For example, software companies don't specialise in financial models and investing. So they don't take on financial risks by investing in deri…
They both reduce institutional knowlage. This tends to be extremely detrimental in the long term. Outsourcing software is like burning all the design documentation for hardware your having someone else build. Even something as well known as injection molding tends to work vastly better if you have experienced staff as part of the design process. And software is worse than that because the design process is part of de…
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Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”
#99Oracle ignored/underestimated China's role in hardware business before buying Sun
Re: “Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic silent EOL of the product”
#100As the only other major vendor of Sparc-based systems, I wonder if Fujitsu is picking up anyone out of this. I certainly hope so.
As far as I know Oracle stopped developing SPARC systems, it is all Fujitsu now, including the chips.
Fujitsu went with ARM for their latest performance machine.