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I used to work at Sun, and the Solaris codebase is the most amazing C code I've ever worked with. I'm probably going to be accused of bias, but the Linux code is really messy compared to Solaris.
Sun was already on the way down by the time I left many years ago, but what had happened since Oracle bought them has been nothing but depressing.
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As AnonymousPlanet said, scope of systemd and number of bad decisions (or good decisions with horrible implementation) is way too big to discuss here. Linux is no longer secure or reliable system it used to be. Engineering results and outcomes are bad from just about any angle you can take. If you belong to the silent but great majority (lol) of users that enjoy and cherish systemd -- just carry on by all means. If a…
> is way too big to discuss here. Can you point to an article or blog post pointing out the bad decisions? > If anything there is A LOT of aggression any time somebody says anything 'unwelcome' about systemd. The downvotes came when you stated your age, "believe I know what I am talking about" instead of listing arguments and calling the parent poster 'kid'.
Parent poster did clearly state I am making it all up and that I have zero experience with systemd. Cultural differences? English is not my main language but I prefer clearly stating what is what, not really skilled in underhand 'polite' underhand attack. 'Politely' saying you are lying = fine, responding that I may be too ancient or experienced to even be able to explain all the falacies = bad. Gotcha.
Cliche but I am pointing at the moon and people are yelling at the finger. So be it.
Sad news all over industry. Red Hat creating huge mess throughout linux with systemd for years. Solaris killed. Thankfully zfs continues living trough FreeBSD. MariaDB is forked at the last moment. Some of my work depends on VirtualBox. Quote from American Gods: “A single product manufactured by a single company for a single global market. Spicy, medium, or chunky! They get a choice, of course! OF COURSE! But they ar…
> Red Hat creating huge mess throughout linux with systemd for years Care to elaborate on the 'mess' created? I highly doubt you even used it yourself, sounds like something you've heard and are repeating for some cheap karma. The init scripts used before were the real mess, if you ask me. It's getting really tiring to hear these systemd rants with no good reasons to back them up. I guess ranting against systemd is t…
While systemd isn't all bad and in some ways for sure an improvement over init (not that that is hard), there are also very questionable architectural decisions that have been made in systemd.
Next up you have the attitude of the two lead developers, Lennart Poettering and Kay Sievers and the way they handle community interaction and bug reports. If it doesn't fit into their rather limited view of how you should use your system and you break it, it's most likely not a bug they're going to bother fixing.
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6237
Last but not least, systemd is forcefully being pushed down our throats. Not with well-reasoned technical arguments, but with mostly emotional arguments about what they think is best for everyone. And since more and more of independent functionality is being integrated into and replaced by systemd, it becomes constantly more tedious to maintain software without hooking also into systemd.
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Every major Linux distro uses systemd. I know its opponents are vocal but a bunch of us are silently enjoying the simplicity of .service files and systemd timers.
> opponents are vocal > bunch of us are silently enjoying Sorry to have to address this. It very much looks like underhand systemd forum/post control I have seen on a lot of other places. I wouldn't bother to respond but I lived in a former communist country and formulations like this kind of make me twitch. So number of opponents is very minor but they make lots of noise. While the 'normal' people, those who really…
No, this has some basis: http://assets.csom.umn.edu/assets/71516.pdf
You never hear anyone going to post "oh wow I love systemd/my dell laptop/this website/" unless specifically asked, or when answering seemingly biased or sometimes incorrect "bad" reviews. I personally enjoy managing my computers much more since systemd.
That's like other technology stacks. For instance, some people were burned by CMake in 2008, didn't try to understand its logic and you still see them complaining on forums up to this day and you may think that this is a shitty unused buildsystem; but when Microsoft and Jetbrains did actual surveys it came out as very strong (more used than make) and growing:
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2016/10/05/cmake-sup...
I'm very saddened by what happens with what is left of Sun. I used to work at Sun, and the Solaris codebase is the most amazing C code I've ever worked with. I'm probably going to be accused of bias, but the Linux code is really messy compared to Solaris. Sun was already on the way down by the time I left many years ago, but what had happened since Oracle bought them has been nothing but depressing.
Solaris lives on in illumos and forks of it.
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Sure, not all of them are the same. However those with heavy use of external consulting and off-shoring, seem to come pretty close.
I don't understand the negativity towards using consultants and off-shoring. Using consultants is a business decision which helps the company hire people for the short term of the project and also offload risk. Not all companies have the capability to handle all kinds of risk. For example, software companies don't specialise in financial models and investing. So they don't take on financial risks by investing in deri…
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Is open-sourcing a codebase for an abandoned product somehow expensive or complicated? Are there legal or accounting issues? If not, it seems like buying a bit of good-will for the price of a bit of paperwork would be a useful investment.
I was at Intel once upon a time when they open sourced some telecom stuff they wanted to get out off. The issues were crazy because of the size of the code base that had accumulated from multiple acquisitions spanning many different divisions in different countries over many years. We couldn't even find people who could tell us what large chunks of the code did or whether they contained anything under patent, tradema…
I'm very saddened by what happens with what is left of Sun. I used to work at Sun, and the Solaris codebase is the most amazing C code I've ever worked with. I'm probably going to be accused of bias, but the Linux code is really messy compared to Solaris. Sun was already on the way down by the time I left many years ago, but what had happened since Oracle bought them has been nothing but depressing.
Solaris was competing against free, without much to justify the large added cost. It's been a very long time since I heard of anyone buying new Solaris installations.