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Re: Tech companies declare war on hate speech and conservatives are worried

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Post by weberc2 »

scott_karana wrote: post #70
rhapsodic wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Other than having their holidays enshrined federally, their words in official documents and anthems, and holding widespread majority not only in the general populace, but particularly among presidents and legislators? You have a point, but I don't think those were the "social" protections the GP was referring to. The left in the US has scorned and ridiculed and actively sought to inflict pain on Christians and Chris…

I sympathize (and upvoted). Currently, "punching up" is seen as more acceptable than "punching down". Whether that's fair is probably a debate worth having, eventually. But there is that significant difference to consider. Worth noting, of course, that (minority?) Christians also regularly scorn: examples include athiests, evolutionists, women getting abortions, and birth control, and there's a closely related Venn d…

It's definitely not exclusive to the left, but it seems to me that the left is "punching down" at Christians, and I think that's one point of hypocrisy among the left (every group has their hypocrisy). While Christians are perhaps more numerous, the liberals doing the punching include university faculty, media elites, celebrities, business executives. It seems like if liberals could separate themselves from the situation, they might see a group of wealthy elites "oppressing" a religious minority.

Re: Tech companies declare war on hate speech and conservatives are worried

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Post by tnzn »

cgb223 wrote: post #12

One of the things that bothers me about recent censorship on hate speech is how selective, and how inconsistently it's applied, if it is to be applied at all. My grandfather escaped the Soviet Union. Stalin's regime killed all of his siblings. All of them. But yet when I check YouTube, Twitter, and so on I see lots of videos professing communisms values. Hell I've seen a pro-communist march in a city I recently moved…

Are you seriously comparing communism and nazism because both happenned to occur under dictatorships ? Then capitalism is all the same, and people got killed for being politically opposed to their capitalist dictatorship, just saying.

Seriously, since when do people who march for a more equal society are to be compared with people marching for genocide ?

Similarly, do people who spread buddhist ideas in the US advocate for/support the genocide of muslims in Birmania (or whatever it's called in English) ?

Re: Tech companies declare war on hate speech and conservatives are worried

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Post by tnzn »

weberc2 wrote: post #38
mambodog wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hold on. I'm not a fan of Communism, but there's a pretty clear difference. The Soviet Union was a particular implementation of Communism which chose killing. Killing is not an inherent requirement to the ideology. Contemporary proponents of Communism or Socialism usually aren't claiming that the Soviet Union's implementation was good. In Neo-Nazism the ideology itself has the elimination of other races as its goal.…

Doesn't "kill the dissenters" seem to be the flavor of most communist countries? China, N Korea, Cuba, Cambodia, Romania, Vietnam, etc.

Argentina doesn't ring a bell ?

Re: Tech companies declare war on hate speech and conservatives are worried

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Post by tnzn »

Grue3 wrote: post #64
mambodog wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hold on. I'm not a fan of Communism, but there's a pretty clear difference. The Soviet Union was a particular implementation of Communism which chose killing. Killing is not an inherent requirement to the ideology. Contemporary proponents of Communism or Socialism usually aren't claiming that the Soviet Union's implementation was good. In Neo-Nazism the ideology itself has the elimination of other races as its goal.…

Why is it then, then when you see an outspoken communist on the Internet they freely use Soviet symbolism like hammer and sickle. I take that as an affirmation of the fact that these people don't really think that Soviet Union was a bad implementation of communism. Like, there exist far-righters who avoid using swastika because they don't want to be associated with Nazi Germany. Why do most communists want to be asso…

Because the USSR isn't just Stalin killing people with his bare hands.

Re: Tech companies declare war on hate speech and conservatives are worried

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Post by scott_karana »

weberc2 wrote: post #71
scott_karana wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sympathize (and upvoted). Currently, "punching up" is seen as more acceptable than "punching down". Whether that's fair is probably a debate worth having, eventually. But there is that significant difference to consider. Worth noting, of course, that (minority?) Christians also regularly scorn: examples include athiests, evolutionists, women getting abortions, and birth control, and there's a closely related Venn d…

It's definitely not exclusive to the left, but it seems to me that the left is "punching down" at Christians, and I think that's one point of hypocrisy among the left (every group has their hypocrisy). While Christians are perhaps more numerous, the liberals doing the punching include university faculty, media elites, celebrities, business executives. It seems like if liberals could separate themselves from the situa…

You keep equating "left" to non-Christian, which is what GGGP was talking about. ;-)

Trump/Hilary voting was split 50/50, but that doesn't explain the 76% of Americans.

This misunderstanding probably goes a long way to explaining this perceived "oppression".

Re: Tech companies declare war on hate speech and conservatives are worried

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Post by weberc2 »

scott_karana wrote: post #75
weberc2 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's definitely not exclusive to the left, but it seems to me that the left is "punching down" at Christians, and I think that's one point of hypocrisy among the left (every group has their hypocrisy). While Christians are perhaps more numerous, the liberals doing the punching include university faculty, media elites, celebrities, business executives. It seems like if liberals could separate themselves from the situa…

You keep equating "left" to non-Christian, which is what GGGP was talking about. ;-) Trump/Hilary voting was split 50/50, but that doesn't explain the 76% of Americans. This misunderstanding probably goes a long way to explaining this perceived "oppression".

I don't know what you mean that I "keep equating...". This is my first post mentioning the left in this thread. I also don't know how that fits into GGGGP's comment, which you posted in response to me before anyone had invoked "the left" in this thread. I definitely don't understand your remark about the Trump Hilary split, which would never tell us anything about liberals, Christians, or Muslims, and I certainly never made claim that it did.

At any rate, I'm not referring to the left as non-Christian anyway. By "left", I mean "left", plus or minus liberal Christians.

I put "oppression" in quotes to indicate that the left would use the word to describe their relationship with Christians (because their threshold for invoking the word is quite a lot lower than most) if they were able to view the conflict with an outsider's perspective. I used "minority" to refer to Christians because they have quite a lot less power than the liberals who are punching down at them, not because they are few in number, in case that caused some confusion.

Re: Tech companies declare war on hate speech and conservatives are worried

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Post by weberc2 »

tnzn wrote: post #73
weberc2 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't "kill the dissenters" seem to be the flavor of most communist countries? China, N Korea, Cuba, Cambodia, Romania, Vietnam, etc.

Argentina doesn't ring a bell ?

Nope. Should it?

Re: Tech companies declare war on hate speech and conservatives are worried

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Post by etplayer »

weberc2 wrote: post #44
s_kilk wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, and capitalism is completely bloodless and clean /s

Here's the comprehensive list of capitalist countries that wiped out 50 million of their own citizens in a couple decades: Glad we cleared that up.

You're saying that if it takes time for the effects of a capitalist mode of production, which does not cater for those at the bottom of society, which creates wars for profit and plunder then therefore these countries are not guilty? Are you aware of how capitalism came about, through the forceful and violent enclosure of the commons in Western Europe, and the invasions and famines caused by the redirection of supplies and food for where it would be profitable elsewhere (Bengal famine), rents enforced by landlords (Irish Potato famine), etc.? If you are unaware of how capitalism came about, Marx does a good job explaining it through the laws in the country in which he lived, England[0].

[0] https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch31.htm and https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch26.htm

Re: Tech companies declare war on hate speech and conservatives are worried

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Post by tptacek »

weberc2 wrote: post #44
s_kilk wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, and capitalism is completely bloodless and clean /s

Here's the comprehensive list of capitalist countries that wiped out 50 million of their own citizens in a couple decades: Glad we cleared that up.

Ahistorical. Revisit 20th century Central and South America. This is a silly thread and one I'm not eager to perpetuate, but I can't not take this bait.

Re: Tech companies declare war on hate speech and conservatives are worried

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Post by scott_karana »

weberc2 wrote: post #76
scott_karana wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You keep equating "left" to non-Christian, which is what GGGP was talking about. ;-) Trump/Hilary voting was split 50/50, but that doesn't explain the 76% of Americans. This misunderstanding probably goes a long way to explaining this perceived "oppression".

I don't know what you mean that I "keep equating...". This is my first post mentioning the left in this thread. I also don't know how that fits into GGGGP's comment, which you posted in response to me before anyone had invoked "the left" in this thread. I definitely don't understand your remark about the Trump Hilary split, which would never tell us anything about liberals, Christians, or Muslims, and I certainly nev…

Whoops: I didn't realize that I replied to ~rhapsodic earlier instead of you. My apologies...
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