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Greener pastures? A tale of the Minnesota startup that was

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Re: Greener pastures? A tale of the Minnesota startup that was

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Welcome to Austin! Not only taxes are lower here, but the city has a real downtown, tons of interesting and educated people, great outdoor activities and a nice dating scene. I can't think of a more balanced place to start a company. The only drawback is lack of VCs in the area. Austin Ventures are the only girl in town and they tend to favor "seasonal CEOs" over young engineers and are extremely conservative with th…

I think you mean seasoned CEOs and not those CEOs who only work during the summer or christmas ;)

Re: Greener pastures? A tale of the Minnesota startup that was

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As a former Minnesotan I can say that it goes beyond taxes. The culture in Minnesota is very risk averse and if you're starting a software company finding able software developers is very difficult. Because of that culture, finding funding is very difficult as well which pretty much confines the field of potential startups mostly to ones that can be bootstrapped. It's a shame because there is a pretty vibrant tech co…

It's true. Telling friends and family what we do usually ends in an awkward stare. It consistently blows me away that people would rather work for 3M or the government than build something awesome that they love.

Re: Greener pastures? A tale of the Minnesota startup that was

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That's such a pity to hear. Duluth, MN is a GREAT town, but with only a handful of companies doing any real software development (web or otherwise) I'd imagine it would be pretty hard to get funding. I know Points North ( http://www.points-north.com/ ) managed to obtain quite a bit of angel investment about 4 years ago. I guess Lloyd and Jason just didn't know the right people. Anyway, congrats on their success outsi…

Whatever happened to Duluth's (I forget the name) 'Tech' builidng on Superior Street downtown? Is it home to some tech companies?

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As a lover of the Twin Cities, this is definitely a saddening read. Minnesota is a pretty great place to work in tech as an employee, but it's not currently the thriving area of tech innovation I'd love to see it become. It's too bad, too, since in theory the Twin Cities has a lot going for it for startups: lower cost of living, highly educated workforce, and theres nothing like a long, bitter, winter to justify long…

It can if there is no historical technology culture. MN is in a bad spot because it has high taxes and no history. Plus, the government (both state and local) really don't care about technology startups. Heck, most of the large IT shops in the area are run by people who don't want tech startups because that would increase their costs. They already recruit from around the area (Iowa and ND) for tech to keep the price…

mn has plenty of history (you may have heard of youtube, or unisys, or cray), and a good number of entrepreneurs. just no angels. angels can go to hell imho. i'll bootstrap thanks.

Re: Greener pastures? A tale of the Minnesota startup that was

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On radio in the Twin Cities, you continually hear advertising for companies to move to Sioux Falls, South Dakota. The Tax Foundation rates SD #1 and MN #43 in their State Business Tax Climate Index. Texas is rated #11, and I am pretty sure it is not hyperbole that if all their MN staff moved to TX they could hire another developer.

That Tax Foundation survey would seem to suggest that CA (48), NY(49), and MA (36) aren't good places to start a startup either. http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/bp59_es.pdf I think that the other factors mentioned in the article: innovative incentives for investors, locality to VCs and experienced (successful) startups, and a great community of developers all factor in more heavily than tax policy.

It would also be wrong to think that lowering taxes would change something dramatically; . The Dakotas were in bad shape economically and could sacrifice existing tax revenue and responsible fiscal oversight (remembering a lot of what they attracted was financial industry drawn to low regulation and low consumer protections -- thanks a lot Dakotas!) Minnesota's economy is going relatively well, and there's no dearth of successful companies. And generally there's a good standard of living and a strong sense of community responsibility, which is why those companies are staying -- there's real people behind any decision to move, and a lot of people aren't willing to move even if there might be financial incentives.

Minnesota is missing tech entrepreneurship... well, even that isn't true, as medical technology is doing quite well. Y Combinator style startups aren't. This is unfortunate, but overall changes to the economic structure of the state is hardly called for.

Re: Greener pastures? A tale of the Minnesota startup that was

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It can if there is no historical technology culture. MN is in a bad spot because it has high taxes and no history. Plus, the government (both state and local) really don't care about technology startups. Heck, most of the large IT shops in the area are run by people who don't want tech startups because that would increase their costs. They already recruit from around the area (Iowa and ND) for tech to keep the price…

mn has plenty of history (you may have heard of youtube, or unisys, or cray), and a good number of entrepreneurs. just no angels. angels can go to hell imho. i'll bootstrap thanks.

One of the YouTube founders having loose ties to MN does not make it a MN startup. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jawed_Karim

Re: Greener pastures? A tale of the Minnesota startup that was

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I bailed on Minnesota for Washington state almost as soon as I received my Computer Science degree. Seattle may not have the best tech scene or startup community in the US, but it's a far sight better than what I've seen in the Midwest.

It's really a pity, too. There's some great stuff in the Twin Cities, and I think it would be well served with more diversification in availability of high tech jobs.

From what I can tell, unless you're into doing ERP/CRM consulting, EE for 3M, IT work for Target Corp, or biomedical engineering, you're pretty well SOL.

Re: Greener pastures? A tale of the Minnesota startup that was

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As a former Minnesotan I can say that it goes beyond taxes. The culture in Minnesota is very risk averse and if you're starting a software company finding able software developers is very difficult. Because of that culture, finding funding is very difficult as well which pretty much confines the field of potential startups mostly to ones that can be bootstrapped. It's a shame because there is a pretty vibrant tech co…

This is exactly my experience in the Twin Cities as well. Having recently moved to Boulder for spousal career support, I can't even really describe how different the mindset is here. It's not even close to the same.

As?

Re: Greener pastures? A tale of the Minnesota startup that was

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Does Minnesota have the laws that protect employees to keep their inventions done outside of work?

According to the following article, not only is Minnesota one of the eight states with such laws, but it was actually the first:

http://www.orinlaney.com/ipguideweb.html#legislative

Re: Greener pastures? A tale of the Minnesota startup that was

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People are moving their startups from Minnesota to the Dakotas ? Does your startup need hundreds of square miles of empty land?

Hey, I grew up in the Dakotas many years ago - it is not empty land but flat land with lots of ten-foot-high snow drifts through most of the year. Just wanted to clarify. On a serious note, the people in the midwest are wonderful and it would be great if there were more opportunities to launch and build startups there. But you need to build a critical mass of entrepreneurs, investors, advisors, and resources that wil…

I wonder how MN compares to Wisconsin, specifically Madison. I feel like the modern tech/startup community here is growing (besides bio science which is the big thing here), but it is really hard to find talented programmers who are willing to work for a startup (despite there being plenty at the university). I don't know what it is exactly, but established companies seem to draw the most talent, despite the jobs being pretty mundane. I think the biggest problem is a lot of people don't believe in the possibilities of starting a company. The biggest thing I've learned from starting a company here is just how much support there is, and people who want to see you succeed. You never realize it until you take the first step and venture out.

As for talent, I've learned to be patient. The right people do come along if you wait. I've posted jobs several times and I get new applicants each time that restore my faith in the local community.

Finding investors is pretty doable here from those around me that have received outside funding (my company is friends and family right now), and there is a noticeable interest from the government, the university, the community, and investors, in growing Madison to become a hub of innovation.

Finally, one big thing I've noticed is how under served the community is with the whole web 2.0 thing (non techies don't have time for another website). People here really value a personal touch. Couple that with less local competition and there is a lot of opportunity here.

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