is there a link to the video of this talk ???
Where will artificial general intelligence come from?
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#72That was really interesting. I'm interested why he's so pessimistic about the simulating a brain approach. Yes it's the boring and obvious approach but it also seems the most direct. Also found this quote interesting > Might have to make it illegal to evolve AI strains or an upper bound of computation per person and closely track all computational resources on earth.
I think the main problem with the brain simulation approach is that we don't yet have a really good model of how the brain actually works.
We know how components of the brain work. Is it inconceivable that we luck into the proper arrangements and interrelationships?
Re: Where will artificial general intelligence come from?
#73I'm working on a technology that I think might enable either IA or AI. Basically intelligences manage their own programs and the computational resources allocated to those programs. So I'm looking at doing that with markets. With IA the user acts as feedback to the market about what is good or bad. Ideally it would act as an external brain lobe. More information on my approach is on this blog https://improvingautonom…
This might be a better link. It explains how we might get to IA. TL;DR It is a mix of machine learning with different parameters and inputs/outputs and language translation into programs with the economy acting as the force to guide this evolving set of programs. https://improvingautonomy.wordpress.com/2017/08/22/a-possibl...
Interesting idea. Instead of thinking of computing as an authoritarian schema, it could be a community schema, using a kanban or currency system to communicate resource needs between units.
It's also similar to negotiating memory over commitment in virtualization. VMWare's driver on the VM "inflates a memory bubble" to communicate host memory constraints to all client VMs. This is often done when VMs have allocated 125%-300% of the host's physical RAM, and forces clients to swap more.
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#74need video
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#75Not on their radar, or their slides at least: Natural Language Processing based rule-based brute-force artificial intelligence (that could be augmented through sensors/motors that allow interaction with the external world). A Vulcan-like (Star Trek) AI, what do you think? Might be easier to simulate the entire brain, on the other hand it might be doable and bridge the gap to general AI.
With regards to Vulcan emergence, I do believe we are in for that soonish; it's an archetypal depiction that consumers desire. Biotech, my friend, genetic enhancement. We can make ourselves smarter with genetic enhancement. We can even give ourselves the vulcan mind meld, and everything else exceptional about Spock. I do think the human brain substrate is exceptional, worthy of improving upon. I wish we talked more about so called "brainpower extension technologies", hopefully one day. I bet cats talk in ten years, it's only logical, consumers love cats & the companies can sell them by the millions.
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#76What is the best book/reference to understand why there seems to be general agreement that AGI/"broad" AI will happen? TFA compares the relative likelihood of the various approaches, but says nothing about the absolute likelihood of any of them. Are there signs of AGI we can see today? Is there an argument/data which links the huge improvements we're seeing in narrow AI to the likelihood of AGI?
The best argument I've heard is that we can use a computer to model any physical process.....the brain is a physical process, therefore we can use a computer to model the brain.
If you think that there is some process in the brain that would be theoretically impossible for computers to model, that would be an interesting topic of discussion.
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#77What is the best book/reference to understand why there seems to be general agreement that AGI/"broad" AI will happen? TFA compares the relative likelihood of the various approaches, but says nothing about the absolute likelihood of any of them. Are there signs of AGI we can see today? Is there an argument/data which links the huge improvements we're seeing in narrow AI to the likelihood of AGI?
The best argument I've heard is that we can use a computer to model any physical process.....the brain is a physical process, therefore we can use a computer to model the brain. If you think that there is some process in the brain that would be theoretically impossible for computers to model, that would be an interesting topic of discussion.
The brain is a physical entity, yes, so in theory we should be able to model it, assuming we know all the laws it works on with enough precision. This is a big if, but even if that's granted, is there anything which indicates that this is imminent?
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#78Do we consider simpler brains to exhibit general intelligence (e.g. A crow's). Is it a more tractable problem to replicate crow level AI first before tackling humans?
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
This might be a better link. It explains how we might get to IA. TL;DR It is a mix of machine learning with different parameters and inputs/outputs and language translation into programs with the economy acting as the force to guide this evolving set of programs. https://improvingautonomy.wordpress.com/2017/08/22/a-possibl...
Interesting idea. Instead of thinking of computing as an authoritarian schema, it could be a community schema, using a kanban or currency system to communicate resource needs between units. It's also similar to negotiating memory over commitment in virtualization. VMWare's driver on the VM "inflates a memory bubble" to communicate host memory constraints to all client VMs. This is often done when VMs have allocated 1…
Yep, while people have to worry about the memory/cpu usage of the programs inside a computer, we are probably going to be stuck with just narrow AI. General Intelligence needs the ability to trade off resources between different programs doing different things (these may be learning different things, processing data or doing other computational tasks).
Also we get malware because we expect the user to be a good knowledgeable authoritarian manager of a system and never run a bad program and be able to get rid of a bad program when it occurs. This just isn't realistic.
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#80What is the best book/reference to understand why there seems to be general agreement that AGI/"broad" AI will happen? TFA compares the relative likelihood of the various approaches, but says nothing about the absolute likelihood of any of them. Are there signs of AGI we can see today? Is there an argument/data which links the huge improvements we're seeing in narrow AI to the likelihood of AGI?
I don't think you could have a specific, strong reference of such sorts.
It seems like the argument for AGI appearing reasonably soon isn't ultimately that long. It is just the ingredients seem to be assembling and there's no fundamental limit preventing it. We're getting closer to complexity of a brain, our machines are general purpose, we're getting more of the specific capacities of the brain. How we can get there seems a fundamental unknown but it's hard to see there being a fundamental barrier.
The problem is any more detailed argument has to involve one or another prescriptions concerning exactly how to create AGI. And such arguments are going to be much more controversial.